Venue: ISKCON Nagpur
Date: 16th June 2015
Day 1 of Bhagvat Katha

Sukadev Goswami described, in total, there are twenty eight hells. It has been described in detail in
the fifth canto. King Pariksit has listened to it very attentively.
“Nanogra-yatanan neyat tan me vyakhyatum arhasi” (SB 6.1.6).

So, when King Pariksit (listened) to the description of those hells and to the conditions of suffering
in the hells, nana (varied) types of and ugra (terrible) conditions of suffering. So, then king
Pariksit, who is a devotee, a Vaisnav, becomes para-dukha-dukhi. Para-dukha? – dukhi. Para-duhka.
Para-dhukah-dukhi. On listening to this description, which is very frightful and which gives goose
bumps, He became aggrieved others’ sorrow. “Is there any such solution through which people would
never have to go to hell?” The same idea as ‘prevention is better that cure.’ If it be avoided, its
better.

So, explain me about such a solution, tell me about such interpretations and anecdotes. Give me a
solution so that… adho gacchanti tamasah (BG 14.18), the Lord said, urdhvam gacchanti – there are those who go upwards, madhye tisthanti rajasah… adho gacchanti – there are those who go downwards too, tamasah. So, king Pariksit has asked for a solution. Is there any solution? The question is perfect and there is that perfect answer also to this question. – Purna-prasna – purna-uttara. And the question is related to that in which there is everybody’s welfare. So, such a question has been welcomed and Sukadeva Goswami.

“na ced ihaivapacitim yathamhasah krtasya mana-ukta-panibhih” (SB 6.1.7)

So, Sukadeva Goswami said people will definitely commit sin. And in what ways? It’s called
“kayena manasa vacasa” (SB 4.8.59). kayena – sin is committed physically, mentally kayena manasa, vaca – and verbally. That’s what is called mana-ukta-panibhih. So, one has to repent. By repentance, one is freed from reaping the fruit, result of that sin. That is why one should repent.

“dhruvam sa vai pretya narakam upaiti ye kirtita me bhavatas tigma-yatanah (SB 6.1.7)

So, people will definitely have to go, narakan, narakan upaiti. So, activities performed under the
influence of Kama (lust), krodha (anger), lobha (greed), the Lord says in other places, in Gita, that
these are the gateways to hell. Gateways / portals of hell, Kama- kamandha, then, krodhandha, then,
lobhandha. When one is blinded by these, blinded by lust, blinded or illusioned by anger and greed.
So, these are activities those that take one to the doorstep of hell. Narakan upaiti, dhruvam.
Undoubtedly, no one can stop that. Naraka- Hell. Hell is a place. In this universe, there is hell or
heaven is also there and in the middle there is mrtyu loka and beneath lies patala loka. Naraka loka
is also existent. People say, inexperienced people say, even great swamis often say that there exist
no other separate planets such as hell and heaven and hell is here, on earth itself or some heavenly
pleasures are fond here itself. People call Kashmir as ‘Nandana-vana’ Or America- “Mora ei
abhilasha, AMERICA dese dio vasa”- (Guru Maharaj and audience laughing), such people. Hey Tulasi
Maharani, please bestow such mercy that I get my visa, so that I can go and settle in America, so that
I can get green card from them.

So, heaven, America, the heavenly planet. Such is some people’s misconception. But otherwise, there
exists such a place called Svarga, there exists a place called narak, there exixts also this mrtyu loka
in the middle. In one universe. Papa-niskrtau yateta (SB 6.1.8). So, we should try. We should make
attempts to repent before bearing the result. tasmat pura eva asu iha. Very quickly. As quick as we
can repent. pascatap – prayascit. Pascatap. Oh! I made a mistake. I committed a sin. To grieve, to
be sad and to do some procedures, it’s called prayascit, so that one will not have to bear the
consequences that activity. So, such an activity must be done immediately. The quicker one does it,
the better it is. We should accept that we committed a sin. The Christian people go to the church to
tell, to confess to the farther of the church that we committed some sin, some offence. Then,
atonement, that should be done what solution is there, how can we be freed? This is ongoing. Every
Sunday they will go and queue up and tell everything to the pope or the priest whatever mistakes were
committed, whatever sins were committed and then, you tell about some repentance, what repentance? So, in our religion too… in the Vedas there is a very large section, Karma Kanda section. Or there are the religious scriptures. ‘The Manu-Smrti’ is also there. In that you’ll get a long list – this repentance for that sin, that repentance for this sin… so, one should do so. Sukadeva Goswami has mentioned about this practice. “Dosasya drstva guru-laghavam” so, how much sin? Guru sin. Guru meaning grave sin. Some heavy sin or some light/small sin. So, according to that, repentance also has to be in accordance to that. As it is being said bhisak cikitseta rujam nidanavit (SB 6.1.8).

When you go to the doctor – cikitsak, then the inexperienced gives test, aaahhhhh. So, diagnosis is done.
And then, there are all these illnesses. Laghu or guru, according to that, OH, this is a headache, so
take aspirin, go! If it is a case of brain hemorrhage, get admitted into I.C.U. Guru- it’s a very
serious matter, take bed rest, you stay here only, get admitted.

So, Sukadeva Goswami is saying, likewise, repentance also has to be according to the lightness or
seriousness of the sin. The time King Pariksit listened to this, then only Sukadeva Goswami should not
have told the solution. But, it’s already said now, our acaryas have commented on that and Prabhupada
also wrote in the purport king Pariksit is being tested. Let me see, I tell him this is the solution. So, let me see what the response of my disciple, King Pariksit, is. How much he learnt and understood about Bhakti. So, king Pariksit immediately spoke thus:

“Drsta-srutabhyam yat papam, janam apy atamano
hitam karoti bhuyo vivasah prayascitam atho katham (SB 6.1.9)

No, no, no! This repentance is useless. You explained repentance to be the solution. However, repentance is not the solution. This is a patchwork. He meant to say it is not the permanent solution. “ Drsta-srutabhyam” I heard that by doing such and such sins, on gets such and such results. For theft, one has to go to jail. “Live life king size” – smoke our brand’s cigarette, then? – Cancer hospital this way. In that direction, is cancer hospital. I heard so, or even read it on cigarette packets – “can cause cancer”. So, drsta-srutabhyam, heard also and have seen too. The scriptures or sages have said no, no, don’t do this, don’t do, don’t do. Even after knowing it, heard, seen
and even got to know something. Even then, people keep doing such activities in which lie their
own harm. Karoti bhuyah vivasah – being compelled.

“Anicchann api varsneya, balad iva niyojitah atha kena prayukto yam papam carati purusah” (BG 3.36).

The same thing Arjuna asked Krsna. He asked to Krsna, I know that one should not commit sins as such, aniccham api, aniccham api… baladiva – some forcibly, papam carati – someon makes one do sins. So, what is that? Who is that? We are compelled to commit sins. Which is that energy? Who is that person? So, king Pariksit is also saying that those who repent, even after repenting, punah, they will again do sinful activities. Sinned and then repented, so, the lure of doing sin, lure of sinful activities.

“Papachi vasana nako dauu dola tyahuna andhada baracha me” (Abhanga, Saint Tukaram).

Tukaram Maharaj has said, papachi vasana- the tendency of committing sins does not go. Committed a sin then repented. So, one will not have to bear the consequences of that sin. Yet, one will again commit sins as the lure or propensity of sin, the seed of sin is already sowed. We do some activities, the act of sin we do but it is temporary. The activity is temporary, that activity is not eternal, it is over. But, what’s left? The propensity of sin, the seed of sin sowed by the sinner. The propensity for committing sin, the desire for committing sin remains, It stays back.

So, “kvacin nivartate bhadrat, kvacic carati tat punah” (SB 6.1.10) so, this is useless, said king Pariksit. Committed some sins for some time, then again, some repentance. One got free from the fruits, whichever one had to reap for that sin, but, punah- again sin is committed. So, like that such pursuance, again sin and repentance, again sin and repentance. King Pariksit referred to it as kunjara saucavt. This kunjara, meaning elephant.
The elephant is famous for its bathing. How does it bathe? He does bathe and then… in some lake or river. We got an elephant in our padayatra. It’s with us for several years and we walked behind it in the padayatras. The elephant had the leadership of our padayatra (jokingly). Elephant in the front, I saw too, he would go in the water and would bathe to its heart content. We used to keep watching that scene, the elephant’s bath, how it used to spray water on itself, here and there, from the top with the use of its trunk. We used to take photos of it too. However, after sometimes, when it would come ashore, it would, again with its, throw dust and mud on itself. It just took bath, came ashore and again became dirty, made itself dirty, useless.

“atho partha manye kunjara-saucavat” (SB 6.1.10)

I think that all this is similar to an elephant’s bath, this repentance that you talked about.
So, Sukadeva Goswami surely is happy by this observation of His disciple, king Pariksit.

“Karmana karma-nirharo, na hy atyantika isyate
avidvad-adhikaritvat prayascittam vimarsanam” (SB 6.1.11)

So, one action, one act of sin one did, then, to get free from it, one did a second action, the act of repentance. So, nirharo, karma-nirharona, so the seed of sin sowed by the act of sin or the propensity or tendency for sin produced by the act of sin has not been able to be eradicated by repentance. So, Sukadeva Goswami is yet, accepting its right well said. Well done, good boy, good student. You’re good.

Now, He is talking about a second type of repentance too. He is telling him prayascitam vimarsanam.
He said so – After repentance, that sinful person has, yet, not been free from his or her ignorance.
He remained ignorant, even before he was ignorant, even after that, his ignorance did not dissipate. So, what should one do? Prayasittam vimarsanam. One should acquire knowledge. One should acquire tatva-jnana. So the first type of repentance is referred to as karma-kanda. And now the repentance we are talking about is also another type of kanda. What’s that? – jnana kanda. Karma kanda, jnana kanda, kevala visera bhanda (Prema Bhakti Candrika). That is what vaisnavas, Gaudiya vaisnavas understand. Thtkarma-kanda… So, most religious activities that usually take place, the people: “say with pride!” what? “we are Hindus!” say proudly! So, the Hindus are busy in such actions, in karma-kanda. And then, some of them, jnana kanda

“Bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kami – sakali asanta’ (CC Madhya 19.149).

So, the desire for bhukti- material enjoyment is the desire of karma-kandis. Desire for material enjoyment. Those in jnana-kanda aremukti-kami. They desire mukti – liberation. But then, both are kami, full of desires, Kama, kami. So, one who is full of desires (kama) is kami, Kama, kami. Kevala visera bhanda. It’s nothing but a pot of poison.

“Tapasa brahmacaryena-brahmacaryena samena ca damena
ca tyagena satya-saucabhyam yamena niyamena va” (SB 6.1.13).
So, people acting under jnana kanda are illusioned here. Someone may think that this is nice,
Tapasa, it’s good if he is a tapasvi- hermit, He is a religious person. However, not all hermits are
religious or Krsna conscious people. He is definitely a hermit, but, there is no God consciousness or
sentiment of God in him. There is no sentiment of devotional service. (yaha bhakti ke bhava ka
abhava hi hain). He is doing penances though, who was such a hermit? Hiranyakasipu did this kind of
penance. He did such a penance that even demigods got frightened by the impact of the penance, such an impact.
But, that penance was not meant for attaining God or for God realization. “I want to be immortal!”
“Make me immortal!” after becoming immortal what am I going to do? I am going to trouble everybody.
“Isvaro ham aham bhogi siddho ham balavan sukhi” (BG16.14). I’ll keep doing that so then, make me
immortal. So in fact, penance has to be transcendental penance or it has to be spiritual penance. All
activities should be spiritual, its purpose is
“yat karosi yad asnasi yai juhosi dadasi yat yat tapasyasi kaunteya tat kurusya mad-arpanam” (BG 9.27).
Offer me! Offer the penance to me, do it for attaining me. Get up early in the morning, that is
penance. Go to attend katha-lecture despite rainfall, this is also penance. To sit near the stove and
cook even during summer, that is penance. In fact, if we perform these activities for the Lord’s sake,
if we cook and offer or feed the Lord so,

“tapo divyam putraka yena sattvam suddhayed yasmad brahma-saukhyam tv anantam” (SB 5.5.1).
Lord Rsabhadeva says to His sons: “do penance! Do penance! Do penance!” But, what kind of penance?
Transcendental penance. Lord Brahma too, the first activity that Lord Brahma did before creating the
Universe. He wasn’t able to figure out from where He was born. I came into existence, but, what
should I do? If we just continue with interpretation, we won’t move further. So, He started to find
out. He wanted to know, he was inquisitive. Then, He heard two word, first was ‘ta’ and the second
was ‘pa.’ When He uttered them together, then, “aahhh!” ‘Tapa’ – penance. I have to do penance, have
to do penance. So, He did penance, he did transcendental penance. So, at the end of the penance, the
Lord appeared. He met with the Lord, they even shook hands. Then, the Lord “divya jnana hrdaya
prakasito” (Guru Vandana, text 3), filled His heart with transcendental knowledge. So, transcendental
penance, transcendental penance.

So who doesn’t do penance in the world? Every person, different kinds of uncomfort, samena ca damena ca tyagena, tyagena- sacrifice. They were also tyagi – hermit or dani – generous. Jarasanda was very generous, he was a demon, but was generous. Yet, he wasn’t generous to Krishna. He wasn’t offering to Krsna. So, demons can also be generous. Demons can also be hermits. Demons too can be priests. Ravana was a great priest. He was a great intellectual. So, propensity for such a generosity or
penance or even knowledge which are not meant to serve the Lord, which do not serve on the devotional service of the Lord.
“jnana-karmady anarvrtam, anukulyena krsnanu-silanam bhaktir uttama”

Bhaktir uttama – bhakti is topmost, Bhakti is topmost. What is that uttama bhakti? – jnana karmady-
anavrtam. Jnana and karma. Transcending karma kanda and jnana kanda. “Anukulyena krsnanu-silanam” Anukula – favourable. Kamsa, He used to think too, in Mathura. Kamsa also , for instance, whenever He would eat something and he would see any leaf in that food then on seeing that he would remember the Lord in yellow robes. Hey! Bring the knife. Perhaps He is appearing in my plate (laughter). So, he used to remember but, thought that whenever he will show up what will I do? – beat Him up. I’ll kill Him. So, this kind of remembrance is not appropriate, it’s inappropriate.

“Ksipanty agham mahad api” (SB 6.1.14) Sukadeva Goswami said repentance is compared to kunjara-
saucavat, with the elephant’s bath. And He is describing this as venu-gulmam ivanalah. The trees and
plants in the forest, bamboos too are there. When they catch fire, the leaves get burnt to ashes.
Yet, when it will rain, the bamboo will again grow. The essence, its root was there in the earth. The
plant just got burnt a bit from outside or it went through some trimming or some cutting. Like in
parks they give them some shape, some form. Of an elephant or a peacock but, they definitely grow up
again. Or the farmers, sugar cane planters, they got the sugarcane cut and sent it to the factory too
already. So then, they give the plant water then, again they start growing. The root remain intact.
So, there repentances found within karma kanda and jnana kanda, they do not destroy the sins from the
root or they do not destroy the root cause of sins.

“Kecit kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva-parayanah” (SB 6.1.15).
So, Sukadeva Gowsvami is saying there is only one solution,
“Krsna-bhakta-niskama, ataeva santa” (CC Madhya 19.149).
The other party is not peaceful all are kami, “bhukti kami, mukti kami, siddhi kami”. The baba
(saint) who is constantly after them, he even does miracles. On seeing miracles (chamatkara) we do
namaskara to him. He who give ashes, they are known as siddhi kami. Such
siddhi saints are always coming up in our country with illustrious names. 100 to 150 years ago
Illustrious saints came up and many Hindus followed them. So, siddhi kami, everybody is kami but,
“krsna-bhakta- niskama ataeva santa” the devotee of krsna does bhakti or he listens to Srimad
Bhagavat. These Devi puranas, prayers to Demigods within karma kanda, so many fire sacrifices, all
these come under repentance. So, siva-dam, the hearing of Srimad Bhagavat is siva-dam and then, what? “tapa-traya-unmulanam” (CCMadhya 24.100) tapa-traya, causes of miseries. There are three of them, Adidaivik, adibhautik, adhyatmik. What do we call that? – tapa traya-unmulanam- “unmulanam” – this Srimad Bhagavat, it eradicates them from their very root, foundation, base. So, that’s why

“srnvatam sva-kathah krsnah punya sarva-kirtanah
hrdy antah stho hy abhadrani, vidhunoti suhrt sadam” (SB 1.2.17).

It has been mentioned in Srimad Bhagavatam itself – by hearing Srimad Bhagavatm, there are other
scriptures too. There is some karma kanda, this purana, that purana. Big body of knowledge. Very big
sangrah grantha, scriptures, various scriptures. But, what happens by listening to Srimad Bhagavatam?
“Hrdy antaha stho hy abhadrani, vidhunoti suhrt sadam” this katha reaches our “hrdy antah stho” -it
goes deep in our heart and consciousness and this Srimad Bhagavata katha, what does it do? Vidhunoti-
it cleanses all the inauspiciousness, abhadra or all the lure and tendency for sinning.
“Ceto darpana marjana” (Sri Siksastaka, verse 1) wherever there is the stain of kama, lusty desires,
the seed of sin, so this, “jnanagnih sarva kamani bhasma-sat kurute tatha” (BG 4.37) knowledge about
bhakti. Vasudevah sarvam iti- that kind of knowledge. What kind of knowledge? “vasudevah sarvam.”
Vasudeva is everything. Those who know this are knowledgeable, this is knowledge. Knowledgeable people. ‘Mam prapadyante’– come under my shelter. And what do I do when such a person comes to me? The Lord says – ‘mam ekam saranam vraja’ and then? – ‘aham tva, sarva papebhyo moksayisyami’- I will liberate you. The consequence of your sin that you had to definitely bear, I will liberate you from that too. And also, free you from the lure, the propensity, the plan, the strategy to again commit sins. “Aham tvam sarva papebhyo mksayisyami ma sucah” Do not fear, just surrender unto me. So, this is thus proved that the topmost repentance has to be done also. So, what is the topmost repentance? Devotional services or activities (Bhakti). Do bhakti! This is not karma kanda neither jnana kanda.

“kecit kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva- parayanah
agham dhunvantikartsyena nirharam iva bhaskarah (SB 6.1.15).
So, when there is fog during winter, dhuka we call it in Marathi, and when the sun rises, bhaskarah –
the sun defeats or clears the fog with its rays. It spreads light everywhere. Likewise, the actions
of devotional service, by becoming vasudeva-parayanah, then aghamdhunvanti kartsyea. It dhunvanti –
cleans even the thoughts of committing sins or even the sinful thoughts. So, we find this principle of
the Bhagavat about which we have already mentioned a little bit at many other places too.
“Na tatha hy aghavan rajan puyeta tapa-adibhih
yatha krsnarpita-pranas tat-purusa-nivesaya (SB 6.1.16).
So, Sukadeva Goswami is again saying. Earlier He said yes, one should do penance, give charity and
perform religious activities ,should acquire knowledge – ‘yamena niyamena, tyagena’ but… yes, this
will do some purification. But, na…puyeta – there won’t be much purification through the repentance
done in karma kanda or jnana kanda. Yatha krsnarpita-pranas tat-purusa-nisevaya. How much can we be
free, be purified? The extent to which one is purified by, first of all, doing krsnarpita krtya – by
either performing activities of devotional service for Krsna or by serving those personalities, those
mahabhagavatas who render devotional service unto Krsna or by associating with them, that is, by doing
bhakti, that extent of purification cannot be achieved by performance of any other religious
activities.

So,nityam bhagavata-sevaya, bhagavaty uttama sloke bhaktir bhavati naisthiki (SB 1.2.18) What will
happen when we will listen to Bhagavat? – There, Prabhupada says that there are two kinds of Bhagavat. Scripture bhagavat and person bhagavat. So nityam bhagavata sevaya meaning service unto both! Service of Bhagavat, Mahabhagavat Srila Prabhupada ki…Jai! Service to Prabhupada, to Prabhupada’s movement.
So, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur Mahasaya ki…Jai!

Today is the Disappearance Day Celebration of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura. So his point of view, his
visions, he started doing quite some activities or projects. The acaryas launched projects, but, it’s
not necessary that these projects meet their objectives during the very lifetimes of those acaryas
themselves. You must be willing to build a house. The aim of your life it is. We shall own a house.
Our own home. Own a motorcycle, something like that. All these get accomplished to some extent and a
little remain yet unaccomplished.
Radha-Gopinatha Ki… Jai!

However, the endeavor of the acaryas, they start them and then their endeavor or project is further
accomplished through or within the parampara, the disciplic succession. Next acarya, next group of
devotees, of vaisnavas, then next, like that. So, Bhaktivinoda Thakur launched many of ISKCON’s
(International Society for Krishna Consciousness’) projects too. He also inaugurated the parikrama,
Nava-dvipa Mandala parikrama. He also predicted that in the future, foreigners will come. They will
come from Germany or America and along with the Bengali or Indian devotees, they will? – “Jaya
Sacinandana, Jaya Sacinandana, Jaya Sacinandana, Jaya Sacinandana, Jaya Sacinandana Gaura Hari…”
(Vaisnava song-Guru Maharaj and audience singing together).
So, further then, Bhaktisiddhanta also did proceedings, then, came Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila
Prabhupada. Nationals and foreigners came together and then, started saying and singing Jaya
Sacinandana everywhere, throughout the whole of India. The arati that we sing, “jayo, jaya gaura
cander” (GM singing), this and so many, hundreds of other songs were written by Srila Bhaktivinoda
Thakur. Saranagati and so on. So the singing of this, listening to it and
congregationally chanting it is also rendering service unto His words only, It’s his service only.
These, Bhakti-vrksas, Bhakti-vrksas, namahattas and then Bhakti-vrksas, all these plans, these
hypothesizes, these concepts are those of Bhaktivinoda Thakur only. Emphasis is being laid on it here
at Nagpur. So, it is service unto Bhaktivinoda Thakur. So, like that, nityam bhagavata sevaya. So
the listening of Bhagavat, is service unto the Lord, service unto vaisnavas, sevice unto bhagavatas.
So, krsnarpita-pranas tat-purusa-nisevaya by doing so, puyeta – purification takes place.

“ Sadricino hy aham loke pantah ksemo kuto- bhayah
susilah sadhavo yatra Narayana-parayanah (SB 6.1.17).

So, he inaugurated, to what extent bhakti is chief. He told about karma yoga also, about dhyana yoga
and then what did the Lord say?

“Yoginam api sarvesam mad-gatenantar-atmana
sraddhavan bhajate yo mam sa me yukta-tamo matah” (BG 6.47).
So, among all the yogis, the bhakti yogi is the topmost, said the Lord in the end of the 6th chapter if
Gita. Yoga day is coming soon (laughter). Preparations are in and awareness is being created. So, do
some preaching. Preach about yoga, about ‘Bhakti-yoga’ or ‘Japa-yoga!’ Or preaching of japa-yajna.
Otherwise, the same thing, some karma kanda, jnana kanda thing or something does take place with yoga practice. However, Sukadev Goswami is saying that bhakti-yoga is the topmost. Susilah – the saints, who are virtuous, Narayana-parayanah. They follow the bhakti ‘pantha’ – path only. In marathi they use the word often, pantha, mahanubhava pantha. Path in English, they call it path in America (GM saying it in American accent), “path” (laughter). So, this word originated from the word ‘patha.’ From patha came path. Three, where from came the word three? – ‘Trin, trin. Trin is found in Sanskrit. Thus came three. Like that, many other words came from Sanskrit which is the mother or generator of all other languages.

So, “prayascittani cirnani Narayana-paranmukham” so, Sukadeva Goswami is again saying that is often
seen that the persons who adhere by the repentances of this world, they vimukha Narayana-paranmukham. Some are Narayana-parayanah – taken the path of devotional service, who are susilah sadhavah, narayanah-parayanah. But, those who do other types of repentances, the karma kandis, jnana kandis, they are Narayana-paranmukham, they are not compliant with Narayana. That is why “na nispunati rajendra sura-kumbham ivapagah” So, he is giving an example: the bottle of liquor (GM laughs), if you try to purify it with the water of whichever river, na nispunanti, it will not get purified.

Likewise, do whatever repentance you wish to, that won’t purify the person. And now, He is presenting
this same statement in form of a principle – “sakan manah krsna-padaravindayor nivesitam tad-guna-ragi yair iha” (SB6.1.19) if someone just does krsna-padaravinda, krsna-caranaravinda (surrender completely unto the two Lotus Feet of krsna) which is like honey. The sweetness of the name of Krsna, of His qualities, His pastimes, unto them whoever surrendered, whoever came under the shelter of Krsna, that person
“na te yamam pasa-bhrtas ca tad-bhatan svapne pi pasyanti cirna-niskrtah” So, he who is a devotee of
krsna and who constantly drinks the nectar of Krsna, of the Holy Name.
“Hare krsna Hare Krsna Krsna krsna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare”

“padodakam pitva, punar janma na vidyate” drinks the caranamrta (water that bathe His Lotus feet) of His Lotus Feet then, punar janma na vidyate and one will develop bhakti too. So, those practicing such
bhakti, those who are tad-guna ragi, they will not receive the sight or will not have to see the
‘Yamadutas’, the order carriers of Yamaraja, even in their dreams. The yamadutas will stay away from
them. With such devotees who are constantly krsna guna-ragi, constantly attached to the qualities, the
name, fame and paraphernalia of Krsna, who are Narayana-parayanah or those who are the practitioners of
“kirtaniyah sada-harih –svapne hi na pasyanti, pasa-bhrtas ca tad-bhatan”

So, yamadutas who constantly keep what in their hands? They keep pasa, they keep ropes. On finding
a sinner who is on his deathbed or who is to die soon, they keep their ropes ready and then they drag
or pull that person out if his body and take him with them. So, they are ever-ready. So, Sukadeva
Goswami says, there is also a case an example of this. You are telling right though that he who is
attached to krsna, tad anuragi, guna-ragi, he does not come across yamadutas even in his dreams. Not
even in dreams, then, what to say about when they are awake. So, Sukadeva Gswami says yes, yes, I am
remembering a primitive historical event. I am going to narrate that. Are you ready?
“Dutanam visnu-yamayoh samvadas tam nibodha me” (SB 6.1.20). And during that primitive history, you
will listen to the conversation between yamadutas and Yamaraja himself. So, then, you will understand
what I just said. That even in dreams neither Yama nor Yamadutas will come. So, saying thus,
“kanyakubje dvijah kascid dasi-patir ajamilah”. So, He is talking about some kanyakubja that now or
even in the scriptures is known as Kanauj. And the modern Kanpur in U.P (Uttar Pradesh), Kanpur it is
this kanyakubja itself where lived Ajamila.

How was Ajamila? – “dasi-patir ajamilah” Dasi-pati meaning, or vaisha-pati – husband of a low class
woman or a prostitute, Ajamila. Once he lived– his name was Ajamila. And all his virtuousness or
righteousness got destroyed. Because of whom? “Dasyah samsarga-dusitah” by keeping association of
that low class, prostitute woman. So, his condition became deplorable. So, what he used to do? He
used by force take money from people.

‘Bibhrat kutumbam’ (SB 6.1.22)– yena kena prakarena, somehow or other to foster or sustain his
kutumbha, his family. By hook or by crook, Yena kena prakarena. So, one among those ways was that he
used to catch hold of someone and tie him up, arrest him. Then, he searches that person’s pockets,
opens that person’s carry bag and peep in and whatever he finds, he loots. Kaitavaih – then, he would
gamble, he was a very cunning gambler. He would very easily play cards. Playing cards- Time pass, So
many people spend so much time gambling in trains. Goa is a major gambling centre. So don’t go to
Goa. We go often as we did not know. So, cauryair – and he used to steal, used to pick pocket. He used to commit thefts through various ways. Garhitam vrtim asthitah – these types of garhit, condemned activities. And in this way, he used to keep troubling everybody. Such a person he was. Like Jagai, Madai. And even nowadays you can find these kind of people. Everywhere you will find people who do such activities. Kalir cela – followers of Kali.
“Evam nivasatas tasya lalayanasya ta-sutan” (SB 6.1.23). So, with money earned from such activities,
as he was nurturing his sons and that low class woman, lots of days, months and years went by.
“Ayur harat vaipumsam udyam astam ca yann asan” (SB 2.3.17).

ayur harati, so what does the sun do? It snatches, takes away, the sun rose and then set and thus,
took away the whole day of today. Took away everyone’s time. Ayur harati vaipumsam. Yet, the sun
does not snatch the time of only those who are doing what? Listening to Srimad Bhagavat. Those who
listen to Srimad Bhagavat and those who do bhakti, they become kalatita. They transgress kala (time).
They are not affected by the effects of kala. So, as for Ajamila, lots of his time got over. How many
years? Asthasity- he turned eighty-eight. He became an eighty-eight years old man. And by that age,
he even got ten children too. At the age of eighty-eight he had a new born child. That’s nothing!
Recently, somewhere in the west (western country), a wedding ceremony took place. No! No, he was a
hundred and three years old (laughter). And to who he got married, she was ninety-four years old.
They broke the record. So, they brought him on a wheelchair (laughter). So now their life has
started. Affair or ya.., and it came into news that prior to the wedding, they had seven children
already. So, this is… My disciple, Ajaya-vijaya prabhu. So, he was a Brahmacari and once, he
received his father’s wedding card (laughter). So, he was summoning hi Brahmacari son “come, I am
going to get married.” (Laughter). Please attend my marriage. So, this, Ajamila, parampara dasi pati
ajamila. So by chance, balo narayano namah (SB 6.1.24), he named his youngest son as what? He named
him ‘Narayana.’

It is due to the result of some unknown good deed that he did not name him ‘Tinku, Chinku.’
(Laughter). Pintu is good? (laughter). These names are meaningless. Just some name. So “pitros ca
dayito bhrsam” and he was very dear to his parents, the low class woman and Ajamila. A small child
is normally dear to everyone or to parents. So, they were no exception. So, they loved Narayana a lot. And lie that, Sukadeva Goswami says “baddhah-hrdayas tasmin arbhake” (SB6.1.25). So, hrdaya-granthi. They got attached, tied up got into bondage. The pasa – ropes of affection or attachment, what kind of ropes? Sneha-pasa we call it. Sneha-pasa or granthi. Meaning knot. A knot is formed or tied up in the heart. Gatha-bandhana. So, in course of loving that child, in course of taking care of him.., and how old? – Kala-bhasini. He talked in a broken language.
So, on listening to that broken language.., “Lama”. “Say ‘Rama’ son.” So, the child would say ‘Lama.”
Children cannot say Rama, they cannot pronounce ‘ra’ (laughter) ‘Lama.’ Perhaps he did not say Rama
as such. So, like that, when he would make him say something, he would be very happy on listening to
his broken language. And as we listen to all this, we have to bear in mind, realize that we are no different too. We will, more or less find similarities between Ajamila’s and our lives. We should
understand this word, learn this word. Vasibhuta, vasa, kama-vasa. Kama-vasa. krodha-vasa. Meaning
anger takes charge of or takes hold of us. We do not control lust (material desires) or anger.
Instead, lust anger and greed control us, Kama-vasa, krodha-vasa. So, it compels to do such things
and then, we do such things.

“ Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah ahankara- vimudhatma karta Aham” (BG 3.27).
Sattva-guna (goodness) and Rajo-guna (passion), Tamo-guna (ignorance). So, it’s the play, the ploy of these three modes of material nature. These three modes make the whole world dance to their tunes “mayadhaksena prakrtih suyate sa- caracarm” (BG 9.10), the Lord says – under my direction and of these three modes separately. However “ahankara-vimudhatma” vimudha – bewildered, what does he think? – kartaham. “I do.” And the Lord says no, no, you are not the doer. Gunaih karmani sarvasah. The gunas, modes of material nature are the doers. The mode of goodness, the mode of passion and the mode of ignorance make you act. So, whenever, either while eating or while drinking something, he calls him. Hey, come here Narayana, come here. Eat what? Eat mutton and rice also (laughter) or come Narayana, eat chicken noodles (laughter).

Narayana, come here, you will get vitamins by eating eggs, the ‘scriptures’ and the dieticians of
present days also say that. So, eat eggs doesn’t matter be it Sunday or Monday, just keep
eating ‘andey’ – eggs (laughter). Who has seen the ‘dandey’ – the hitting rod? What’s the guarantee
that we will be punished? (Laughter). They keep saying certain things like that. Who has seen hell?
Bhasmi-bhutaya dehasya kutah puar agamano bhavet (Carvaka Muni, CC Adi 7.119 – purport). The time this body is turned to ashes, then, finished, everything is finished. This re-birth, this result of sins,
there is nothing like that, everything is here. These Hare Krsna people, they say that there exist a
hell separately, “have some fear for that at least” Nah, forget that! (Laughter). Such preaching
this is current topics.

Death is here or the Yamadutas are not very far. He did not realise this thing while he was busy enjoying his lifestyle. He was enjoying. So, he did not even know. Time flies they say. Time flies (Maharaj clapping fingers). When you have fun, time flies. When people live happily, peacefully, time runs like that and we don’t even know it. And when suffering comes, when people are aggrieved, then: “the watch is not working or?” Did the watch stop? Time stands still. People experience that. When they are enjoying time flies. Suffering, time stands still. So, he was enjoying, so-called. This is so-called enjoyment. So, now, after enjoyment, there is suffering too. People do not think like that. Ajamila too wasn’t thinking that way. So, “just do it.” What to do? – Just do it! You think afterwards (Maharaj laughs). So, ‘high living and? – no thinking.’ Just do it!
Forget this ‘simple living, high thinking.’ Not high thinking, high living. And not even simple
Thinking, no thinking.

“ matim cakara tanaye bale narayanahvaye” so, when death came, “Yamadutas aarahe hein!” – Yamadutas are coming- unannounced. There was no announcement, they just showed up. One cannot tell them that “you showed up without taking an appointment. Yamaraja speaking! He thought… Someone was driving a car very fast and was also talking on mobile. So, someone was saying to him, “I want to come see you, want to meet you.” No, no, no, I am very busy. I am busy. Very busy. No, very busy. The car turned over and drove off the cliff and “phir milenge.” – We’ll meet again. So, he was very busy. No time, Bhagavata katha is taking place and he is, uh… We’ll see I am very busy, taken up. So, he also, the poor fellow, he was busy. But, mrtyu-kala upasthite. So, Ajamila’s son was playing nearby. So, he saw the Yamadutas coming towards him. So, how were they? The yamadutas? Pasa-hastams (SB 6.1.28). What was there in their hands? Ropes. So, there was three persons. He saw three persons. Bhrsa ati-darunan, that scene was very horrible. Ortheir appearance was very horrible. They were very scary. Vakra-tundan. Their faces were twisted. Their teeth were showing and urdha-romna and hair like this (standing). When you go abroad you find hair like… (Laughter), cut here (from audience: spike, spike). They even paint/dye it, just as the peacock feathers, similar styles. So, their’s too were urdha-romna. So, all their hair were stood up. And then, he saw that “netum agatan atmanam” They have come to take me away. Look! Look! See the rope in their hands. They are coming straight towards me, I am finished, It’s my end now.

“dure kridanakasaktam putram” (SB 6.1.29). So, his son was playing nearby. So speaking to him in a state of great mental restlessness and being helpless, without no other resort, he called out “Narayana!” so,
given that the utterance of ‘Narayana’ was done on a high tone, so the devotees of Narayana, are normally, very prompt or ever ready so that if someone is on his deathbed somewhere and is uttering the Lord’s name, is remembering the Lord, ‘itna to karna swami, jab prana tana se nikale, Govinda Nama leke, tab prana tana se nikale.’ So, those doing such prayers, they were alredy doing such prayers all life long and now, at the end, the utterance of Govinda’s name, Narayana! Or Govinda! Of Gopinath!
(Aloud) – Hare Krsna Hare krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare! So, they used to keep waiting and so, as soon as the name Narayana got uttered, then, bhatur nama (SB6.1.30). Somebody is calling out the name of our master. These are the Visnudutas.

So, the utterance of the name ‘Narayana’, the Visnudutas heard that. nisamya mriyamanasya, hari-kirtanam. The order
carriers of Lord Visnu heard that Ajamila who uttered ‘hari-kirtanam’, the Holy Name of the Lord or who
has uttered ‘Narayana.’ And then, what happened? – sahasa apatan. They immediately arrived there,
appeared there. And when they came, they saw that these three persons had reached there earlier and
what were they doing? Vikarsatah (SB 6.1.31). They were dragging him away. They had even tied him up
with the rope.

So, his conscience, his life, his soul and the soul is covered by the subtle body. The subtle body, made up of mind, intelligence and ego and inside it, the soul. All that together is known as conscience. This conscience is also known as prana – life. So, antah hrdayat – they had tied it from deep within
his heart and were dragging it away. So, the Visnudutas saw those three persons whom Yamaraja sent, were busy doing such a thing. And as soon as they came and saw that, “Hey! Beware!” . So, when the Yamadutas heard this– who are you? Ke yuyam? “Dharma-rajasya sasanam, pratised-dharah” Who are you to stop or prohibit the ruling jurisdiction of the dharma-raja?

“Kasya va kutaya ayatah” (SB 6.1.33). Whom do you belong to? From where have you come? Kasmad asya nisedhatha – Why are You stopping us? Kim devah? Are You some Demigod? Upadeva ya? Or some sub-demigod? There exists such classifications, devata and upa-devata – Demigaods and Sud-demigods. So, “yuyam kim siddha-sattamah” you are some pure devotee or self-realised persons? Are you? And, meaning, who are you or do you have any idea or something? Who are You to actually stop us. However, they are saying these things that are you some Demigod or some Sub-demigod, a pure devotee, self-realised person, also because they were impressed by the beauty of those Visnudutas. And looking at every beauty or form of the VIsnudutas, sarve Padma palasaksah (SB 6.1.34), just look at Your eyes, You are Padma-locani. Your eyes are like the petals of a Lotus flower. Your yellow, silk robes are
dazzling as lightning. Just as it was lightning today.

“ Kiritinah” – you have worn a crown and even earings. “Lasat-puskara-malinah” – and there is even a garland made of Lotus flowers around Your neck. “aahhh!” The garland is perfumed too, it’s not made of plastic (laughter). They are not plastic flowers. “Sarve ca nutena-vayasah” (SB 6.1.35). And you are young, you are youngsters. “Sarve caru-caturbhujah” – all of you are four-armed. We never saw such a thing before.
“kurvantah svena tejasa “– with Your own effulgence. You did not bring along any torch or light etc. You yourself are effulgent. And by that only, by only your presence, more light has been spread than that of the natural light which was already here. Yes, you are very beautiful and there is no doubt in that. But, being even so beautiful.
“ kim artham dharma-palasya kimkaran nah nisedhatha” (SB 6.1.36). We are the servants of Yamaraja. We are Yamadutas, servitors of Yamaraja. So, why are you stopping us? You are beautiful in appearance. Feels like to click a photo of yours or film a video of Yours, but you are definitely beautiful from everywhere aspect, but your behavior is not that good. Why are you opposing the governance of Dharmaraja? So, on hearing the Yamadutas, the Visnudutas began speaking.

How was their voice? Just as the thunder, have you ever heard the thunder? – Yes! But, that as I heard today, I have perhaps never listened to such a thunder before. It’s our first time, fresh experience. So, it is said here that the voices of the Visnudutas also were like “megha-gambhiraya vaca” (SB 10.58.39) or “megha-nirhradaya gira”- on a high tone, loud and clear, now they will tell their message which you will be able to hear tomorrow. The speech of the Visnudutas. And who is the listener while this conversation is taking place? Ajamila who is hanging in the middle (laughter). Below waistline, he is still inside since that subtle body has a waist and a form too and half of himself is outside. So, in that condition he got the association of even the Yamadutas. They are the order carriers or servants of Yamaraja. So, their association also is sadhu sanga – devotee association.

And then, in the second chapter, you will hear the speech of the Visnudutas and then, in the third chapter you will get to hear Yamaraja’s speech. You will be happy on listening to Yamaraja. The fear for Yamaraja that is there, from whom we are afraid, so, listen to that speech too. You will acquire cleanliness of consciousness and peace of mind. All of that is being said so that we do not have to do what? So that we don’t experience the tortures of hell. Give me such a solution. So, Sukadeva Goswami is telling about the solution itself to king Pariksit here in this anecdote. So, ok, thank you. Hare Krsna! Srila Prabhupada ki…Jai! Radha-Gopinatha ki…Jai!

Venue: ISKCON Nagpur
Dated: 17 June 2015

Jay Radha Madhav Kunja bihari….

I welcome you all on the first day of Purushottam Month- Those who have arrived even before the time. There are many exemplary souls like Valmiki, Jagai-Madhai, Mrugari (who was a hunter & guided by Narad Muni). Every devotee sitting here is an example of ‘Effects of Holy name’. What you were and now see what you are! Chaitanya Caritramita is full of such examples.

Ajamila named his 10th Son as ‘Narayan’ and every now and then he was calling, “Narayan, come here! Narayan, where are you?” Like father-mother usually call their kids but Ajamila was with some extra love towards his son. Yesterday we listened about Yama-dutas and Vishnu-dutas. Vishnu-dutas questioned Yamadutas , “Prove that you are dutas of Yamaraj. What are symptoms of Dharma? And whats’ your procedure to punish a soul? Do you have some system?

The conversation between Yama-dutas and Vishnu-dutas, is being delivered to us here. Hence only it’s included in Bhagvatam. If Ajamila got benefited from this conversation we too would. One who will listen katha with faith and propagate it with devotion to others (who are very busy and not even having time to die) he or she will never go to hell, so our one batch is ready who will never see hell. Plus he or she will be get Worshiped in Vaikuntha.
Vedas are Narayan, they originate with the exhalation of Lord. Vedas are ‘apaurusheya’. Three gunas (Goodness, Passion and Ignorance) are running this world. Even these 3 gunas are responsible for four Varnas (Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra). Brahmin is in Goodness, Shudra in ignorance and remaining two are mixture of Passion & ignorance.

In kaliyuga maximum people are ‘shudras’ as they are filled with ignorance. Four ages (Satya, Treta, Dwapar and Kali) are also reflections of these four Varnas. Satyayug with Brahmin, Treta with Kshatriya, Dwapara with Vaisya and Kaliyuga of Shudras. But Lord is the ultimate controller – ‘mayadhyaksena prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram’ (BG 9.10)

Now Yamadutas replied, “No no! We have a well defined system to decide to punish or not.” A big IT system, with supercomputers and a secretary named Chitragupta as Data entry operator. We are always ready with database. Our informers are spread over everywhere. Who are the Informers? Sun, ether, air, Moon, 10 Directions, Earth, and Time. So where do you run? They are eyewitnesses of your all activities.
Based on qualities of our previous Karmas, its get decided where one will take Birth. And our four Varnas they are based on ‘Characters’ not on the Birth “guna-karma-vibhagasah” (B.G 4.13). It means one is not Brahmin just as he got birth in Brahmin family. There are 3 types of work: 1) By Thoughts 2) By Body 3) By Tongue. As Silkworm creates the cocoon around his body with his own fluid and get locked inside it, so the soul is with his own Karmik reactions creates for death and rebirth.

They said, “Once Ajamila was very courteous, he was following all sastric injunctions, very pious one”. But once he went in a garden for fruits and flowers. There he saw a man-woman indulged with each other and got agitated. Then he went behind that woman. Both that man and woman were Sudras. There are only two themes of films nowadays: sex and violence. One Hero and one villain, they are so fallen but yet our Heros ..Indeed both are villain.
Human is indulged in such activities like cats and dogs. Animals carry on with their activities anywhere without any shame. Hence Prabhupada used to say ‘its society of cats and dogs’. Woman is the topmost pleasure for man and so is man for her. Both are busy in glorifying each other. They see nothing beyond that. Senses should be pulled back from their objects like a tortoise roll back its senses.

Madan, Kandarpa, Anang etc. all are names of Kamdev (God of Lust). Anang means without body as Lord Shiva once burned him, so without body. Madan-Mohan means one who attracts even cupid. We pray to Madan-Mohan so that He should remove Madan(cupid) from our path of devotion. So Ajamila violated all Sastric injunctions. Hence we will punish him in 28 types of our hell. Now the turn is of Vishn-dutas Ajamila is listening it with Half-in half- out of his body.

Here the 2nd Chapter of 6th Canto begins,
Vishnu-dutas said, “Each movement he was uttering the name of Lord. Narayan come here..Narayan eat this and so on. So, he has repented all his misdeeds. And when at last moment he yelled Narayan!1 What to say about it!” Common man follows the great ones.

One who is perfect-chanter has repented all his misdeeds. Big one or small one all his misdeeds get nullified. Krishna says that the way Draupadi called me, “Hey Govind! Hey Krishna!! “I got indebted to her. In “Hari-naam Chintamani’’ by Bhaktivinod Thakur and again in Padma-purana its described that there are three stages of Chanting: 1) Offensive 2) Nama-bhass (illusion) 3) Shudha-Nama. Nama-Bhas means when name was taken in illusion.

At the time of that movie “Dam Maro Dam..mita jaye gam, bolo subah sham Hare Krishna Hare Rama’, we used to go for preaching in Mumbai. So looking us, people used to run in home and play that Song on tape-recorder in a loud just to tease us. The fire will always burn when one touches it knowingly or even unknowingly, so is Holy name. Though they were trying to tease us but definitely would have got benefited.

The devotees in Tokyo (Japan) go to the visitors even the Muslim and they say –“please see this books” again and again until they are anger and say.. “haRAMkhor”. Then devotees became very happy. Same is with Chand-kazi. Devotees of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu told him- “everyone is saying ‘Hari Bol’ why don’t you Kazi sahib? So to avoid them, he replied ‘Tomorrow I will say HARI BOL’. And the devotees jumped in joy.
So Vishnu-dutas freed Ajamila from the bindings of Yama-dutas. Now he is contemplating about his misbehavior. Similarly we should contemplate on Katha. Listening is just the starting, after that it comes remembrance and contemplation. We don’t want just accumulation but assimilation. Now he is contemplating about past, wife and his parents. And he decided to be a new person from the same movement. He realized that he was acting just as a toy in hands of a prostitute earlier.

Srila Prabhupada wrote, we are just toys of your hand my Lord please make us dance as per Your wish

“nacao nacao prabhu nacao se-mate
kasthera puttali jatha nacao se-mate”

So it’s time that we should also pray, because more or less we all are like Ajamila. Now Ajamila is of 88 years, it’s already too late. Now he went to Haridwar. Haridwar Dhaam ki Jay! Ganga Maiyaa ki Jay!!
Devotion is something beyond liberation. After sometime, Ajamila saw the Vishnu-dutas. He understood that now they came to take him. So he gazing at the Ganga River he left his body. And attained the divine form like Vishnu-dutas. And he entered the Golden plane and then the plane took off.
Nitai- Gour Premande Hari Hari Bol !!
Although Ajamila went to Vaikuntha but our Katha doesn’t end here. We will again come with the third session tomorrow.
Hari Bol !!

Venue: Pandharpur

maitreya uvaca

“iti bruvanam nrpatim gayaka muni-coditah

tustuvus tusta-manasas tad-vag-amrta-sevaya” (S.B 4.16.1)

Translation and purport by Srila Prabhupada.

Translation:
The great sage Maitreya continued: While King Prthu thus spoke; the humility of his nectarean speeches pleased the reciters very much. Then again they continued to praise the King highly with exalted prayers, as they had been instructed by the great sages.

Purport:
Here the word muni-coditah indicates instructions received from great sages and saintly persons. Although Maharaja Prthu was simply enthroned on the royal seat and was not at that time exhibiting his godly powers, the reciters like the suta, the Magadha and the vandi understood that King Prthu was an incarnation of God. They could understand this by the instructions given by the great sages and learned brahmanas. We have to understand the incarnations of God by the instructions of authorized persons. We cannot manufacture a God by our own concoctions. As stated by Narottama dasa Thakura, sadhu-sastra-guru: one has to test all spiritual matters according to the instructions of saintly persons, scriptures and the spiritual master. The spiritual master is one who follows the instructions of his predecessors, namely the sadhus, or saintly persons.

A bona fide spiritual master does not mention anything not mentioned in the authorized scriptures. Ordinary people have to follow the instructions of sadhu, sastra and guru. Those statements made in the sastras and those made but the bona fide sadhu or guru cannot differ from one another.

Reciters like the suta and the Magadha were confidentially aware that King Prthu was an incarnation of the Personality of Godhead. Although the King denied such praise because he was not at that time exhibiting his godly qualities, the reciters did not stop praising him. Rather, they were very pleased with the King, who, although actually an incarnation of God, was so humble and delightful in his dealings with devotees. In this connection we may note that previously (4.15.21) it was mentioned that King Prthu was smiling and was in a pleasant mood while speaking to the reciters. Thus we have to learn from the Lord or His incarnation how to become gentle and humble. The King’s behavior was very pleasing to the reciters, and consequently the reciters continued their praise and even foretold the King’s future activities, as they had been instructed by the sadhus and sages.

“Praise of King Prthu by the Professional Reciters” this is the name of the chapter. Prthu, what is he known for? the nine processes of devotional service, then for each process there is one devotee who kind of stands out, he is remembered immediately as soon as we say for instance, we say,

“Sravanam”- then which devotee we remember- Parikshit Maharaja.

“Kirtana”- , Sukadeva Goswami,
“Smaranam”- Prahlada Maharaja.

There are other names also who could be said also, some kind of established understanding that these devotees. Then when we come for

“archanam”- Prthu, Prthu Maharaja.

Prthu Maharaja is the topic, he is being praised, King Prthu’s appearance, that the subject matter and after he has appeared and after he has been enthroned, he is being praised by the reciters and he says, ‘no, no, no no, no, not yet, not yet, don’t praise me, I am not praiseworthy yet’ and he said he is a newcomer, ‘I have not manifested all those qualities and ‘maybe you are giving me some more….’. He is thinking like that, O! reciters, you are praising me, maybe this is your expectations, I understand, but I haven’t achieved that evolution or level of qualities and but I understand, this is what you expect but I should not be praised the way you are doing now.

He is incarnation, one of the avataras, saktyavesa avatar of the Lord and hearing these words from him, is quite humbling experience. He has those qualities and he is claiming no.. no.. no.. no I don’t have these qualities. On the contrary, we normally fight, no, no, no I have that quality, no, no, I have more than what you have said. When someone praises us, then we say, Oh! Finally someone has realized that how advanced I am, atleast someone is understanding my advanced stage. So, we fight the other way. We are not yet there, but we say, no, no, we have more than what you think. And Prthu Maharaja says no no, no I am not that, this is too much; wait wait maybe after 10, 20 years could come back and praise me the way you are doing now but right now I am not that….. So, Srila Prabhupada is pointing out this as “humility”. Although actually an incarnation of God, Prthu Maharaja is, he was so humble and delightful in dealing with theses devotees, thus, we have to learn, so some conclusion or some lesson Prabhupada is pointing out. If Prthu Maharaja could be that humble, he does not have to be humble. So, take a lesson and thus we have to learn from the Lord or His incarnation how to become gentle and humble; and the King’s behavior was very pleasing to the reciters.

So, this is a natural consequence of the advancement in Krishna consciousness. What is the consequence? That one becomes meek and humble, he takes humble position which is not a false, genuine humility exists and by cultivation of Krsna consciousness, one realizes how insignificant, tiny person he is. He is not the center of the universe or he is not all in all or he is not the Lord of all. Then this is also when a person is knowledgeable, so this knowledge infact. I am just this part and parcel tiny, just a speck, just a dust, this is knowledge; to know as we are.

Knowledge is to know as we are, to know our position as humble servant, this is knowledge, to know things as they are. That’s knowledge, there is nothing, no exaggeration, no demolition even no plus or minus, as it is, that’s knowledge. So we are somebody in relationship with Krsna, we have some value, but we still are, the fact is we are just tiny living entities and the point is, we are not the only one here in this world. Like us, like you and me, there are billions of personalities and they also have to be accommodated and they also have position, humble position of being servant of the Lord and the servant of the servant serving the Lord and serving the devotees of the Lord and that way. We have our position but we are not the only one in the world, there are others and the spirit souls; they are as good as you are, no less. Literally speaking or some circumstances, big small positions in this world, age factor is there, then education in this world other topics, but Kunti Maharani says, there are 4 things that people become proud of in this world, one thing is the birth, high birth. For some reason, everyone thinks his birth is very high, because I have taken birth in such and such country, my birth is high, because I have taken birth in aristocratic family my birth is high. Because whatever…you could say so many things, you always have some justification how your birth is very high birth and you attached importance to it high birth, that’s one thing.

Then education, education is supposed to make you humble in fact, that’s why you become educated to become knowledgeable of your position, your constitutional position. Education is for that purpose but they never find out who they are, what they are, how tiny they are and who others are and in this whole infrastructure or whole situation they are just one bit, little piece, part of the puzzle. So education, people become proud of education.

Then some kind of beauty. Does anyone think that he is not beautiful? Everyone thinks I am and they look into the mirror and….(Laughter). Everyone is proud of his beauty, master piece or I am the standard. Although everyone has the same, every person has nose, 2 eyes, mouth, forehead, this 4- 5 parts on the face and they have been differently managed, same thing but as soon as you change the positions, different thing happen to you. The tiger, you push his nose down and they have tiger’s nose, cat’s nose. They have the manipulation, Nature is manipulating and just creating different feelings. But the best is, everyone has a mouth, everyone has a nose, nostrils and eyes and forehead, and the chin. There is so much variety, so much variety, for that we should be appreciating God because God’s nature is creating. No two persons are alike except for Pankajanghri and Jananivas in Mayapur. But there is also difference. Those who know, I haven’t figured it out in 30 years (Laughter) don’t tell them. I take long time before I open my mouth. I don’t know who is who there (Laughter) but there is a difference. So the beauty is the eye of the beholder it’s said. Even though the beauty doesn’t exist, the beholder, one who sees, he just feels he thinks, this is a beautiful person. So, like that there is attachment to the beauty.

And then the wealth the 4 things, the high birth then education, beauty, wealth. If I don’t have, I am going to acquire it. I have acquired so much and I have all these plans to acquire more. And I have defeated this enemy and I am going to defeat this many more. This is, Krishna says – demoniac nature, divine and demoniac nature. The thoughts of the demoniac person he always thinking like this, planning like this. So these factors become the bondage and it becomes difficult to exhibit humility. There is every reason they are proud of this possessions or these attributes, beauty, birth, high birth, education. The Lord, He possesses all these qualities, all these opulence’s. Here Prthu does possesses, Prthu Maharaja but he displays his humility. Here Prabhupada is pointing out, look look at this example of Prthu Maharaja, see how humble he is. Be humble; be gentle, gentle, humble. These are qualities of a vaisnava; 26 qualities of vaisnava.

So, there was an assembly of some saintly persons, in Maharashtra. One time, there was a gathering and they were testing who is humble, who is mature. So they decided to find out who is most matured in their knowledge. (Guru Maharaj discussing in Marathi, with a devotee in the audience, what’s his name?). So, we are just trying to gather right figures, right facts there. But the point is, so they decided to check out the humility and maturity of. One person was going to do the examination, he has a stick and he was going to beat on the head and so those who complained, those who protested, those who reacted or those who took their own stick to fight back, so they failed. And those who tolerated the beating on the head, they passed the test, they were considered humble, tolerant.

In other word, not identifying with the body or bodily concept and….No I am different from the body, you rascal, don’t hit me, you hit me! Prabhupada gave that example; someone in the back car dashed into the front car, the person in the front car said, ‘you, you hit me! You hit me!’ that person in the back car, the driver, I didn’t hit you, I hit only your car! But this person in the front car, he identifies himself so much with the car. Although his car was hit from behind, he is, he exclaimed, ‘No! You hit me, you! He came out and gave a punch on his nose. So something similar, this bodily concept; identifying with the body. So, education, the high birth, the beauty, the wealth this is all connected with the body. It is here today it will disappear tomorrow, one of these days and all you are left with the soul. Soul is what you are, what we are and not the body. But, we identify everything that is in relation with the body. My birth is here, so I took birth, my body took birth in this country, so immediately I am this, I am American, I am this, took birth in such and such family, oh! I am high birth such and such family. Wealth comes oh! And immediately I am wealthy person, next you go bankrupt and you are despondent. So, all these things, all in relationship with this world outside. So, cutting all these connections cut off and go internalize, turn towards God and then… My position in relationship with the Lord that is knowledge and that is most important. My relationship with this world is comes and goes, changes ever changing. Ya, so you may become Brahma, you may fall down, become Indra or indragopa germ, some germ its known as indragopa germ, I don’t know, have you seen? Some insignificant germ you become next day you may become Indra.

So, up and down you go, So that’s changing but there is one thing that never changes and answer is ‘ei jiva krsna das e biswas’ Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, ‘ei jiva krsna das e biswas’. These jivas, these living entities are Krsna’s dasa, Krsna’s servants. By knowing this, he says ‘korle to ar duhkho nai’, all your duhka, all your miseries finished. The day you are convinced that I am spirit soul and I am servant of Krsna, ‘ei jiva krsna das e biswas’. Full conviction that I am part and parcel of Krishna, I am servant of Krsna eternally, that is my position. I am eternally servant of Krishna. Thus, finished, you don’t have to bother with some promotion or demotion, promoted to become Indra, demoted to become germ, indra germ. You are free, fixed; my position is I am servant of Lord Krishna. Then, you don’t have to bother and whatever happens in this world up and going down. Others may think you are going up and down but you are fixed as a servant of Krsna, mind fixed to the last breath, not aspiring like Desai, could become Prime Minister; then you’ll come back, you’ll strive to become Prime Minister, all attached to the nice home, nice family, then you may have to come back. You could come back to the same house but you come back as a rat, in the same house you stay but as a rat.

So, the best policy is to find out, ‘ke ami’. This is Sanatana Goswami’s program, ‘ke ami’, he inquired that to Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Benaras, Varanasi. He ‘ke ami’ and why am I going through this, ‘tapa-traya’, why these four miseries; adhyatmika, adhidaivika, adhibautika are bothering me, torturing me, why? Why? This is his question and anyway we are going in philosophical here. The purpose was to say some more pastimes, Pandharpur dhama, Vitthala .

In Remuna in Orissa, then Pandharpur, I don’t know other places; they allow abhishek in front of you, then dressing in front of you. There are only few temples in Bharata varsa. There is no curtain between you and the Lord. This is Lord’s private..this is something that Yashoda has privileged, of course she doesn’t just sit around and watch , she is the one who does the bathing, changing clothes and putting on new clothes and the other assist. So, this is the Lord’s very confidential and internal and eternal spiritual affair pastimes. The bathing is a pastime; whole world is bathing, no big deal. The Lord is bathing, Lord is being dressed. Every time new experience, elevating, evolution and finally you show the mirror to the Lord.

(Guru Maharaj says) I remember when I was the head pujari in Radha Rasabihari temple, within couple of hours dressing Radha Rasabihari. Then turban and then peacock. As soon as you add turban, it would enhance the beauty and the peacock and then finally flute comes, that’s kind of order. And then you show the mirror to the Lord and while He is looking into the mirror, you look at Him and sometimes, happened few times, there is no peacock feather, you are showing mirror to the Lord!!! Then you realize, oh!..Then immediately….the flute is not there, you are showing the mirror to the Lord!!!(Laughter). So, that feeling, you look at the Lord while He is looking into the mirror after you have personally dress Him. The Lord is appreciating, you have dressed Him and He is appreciating the way He has been dressed by you. You feel, oh! The Lord is happy!

When I was the head pujari, brahmacari, I just had dhoti, I didn’t even have kurta (Laughter). It didn’t matter in Mumbai it was manageable without kurta or sometimes kurta, sometimes no kurta because also you cannot offer arati with a kurta on, and I had to offer 6 aratis, I was offering 6 aratis, every arati, so taking off kurta, putting on I was not bothering, I was just keeping it aside. So I didn’t have to bother about myself, my dressing, how I looked like. I was just happy seeing the Lord is happy. The Lord is satisfied, it doesn’t matter how you are looking like.

All lifelong all that you cared is your beauty, you looking into the mirror, praising your own beauty, appreciating your own beauty, your raised nose and your eyes reaching almost ears and if they didn’t reach, you going kind of stretching them with the kajal and ointment and brushing, dragging them. Although your eyes are just like a monkey, you want to make them like a deer and so many other attempts are there. And finally that body dwindles and death, all lifelong you appreciating your body, you attempting to improve your body and skin care and nail care and this polish and that polish. Useless, all that labor finally burnt to the ashes. That beauty you thought was beautiful. What a waste!! All those thoughts gone, finished.

Instead you should appreciate the beauty, appreciate the beauty of the Lord and all that appreciation is to your eternal credit. Purifying and not that you are not beautiful, but that’s not your body that is beautiful, the soul is beautiful, soul is beautiful, soul is Krishna’s child, Krsna is beautiful. The parents are beautiful then the children are also beautiful, isn’t it? That happens, the parents are beautiful featured then the children are also beautiful. So, Krsna is beautiful then His children, the souls are beautiful. We should be more proud of the soul’s beauty not body’s beauty. Soul’s beauty is also eternal, not only soul is eternal, soul’s beauty is also eternal.

So, this Lord Vitthala, Tukarama Maharaja says “sundar te dhyan ubhe vitevari kara katavari thevoniyaa” meditation on the Lord. This is a beautiful meditation of the Lord, Lord who is standing with His hands on His hips. This is “sundar te dhyan ubhe vitevari” the Lord who is standing on the brick. ‘tulsi har gada kase pitambar aavade nirantar hechi dhyana’ the Lord with the garland, tulasi garland this is special feature, I think no deity in the world I would say doesn’t get as much as tulasi and garlands as much as Lord Vitthala gets. No worship of Vishnu is complete without tulasi. That’s there offering tulasi to the feet, offering tulasi in the offering plate on each item. But here there are many tulasi they used, tulasi garlands, tulasi mala, ‘tulsi har gada ‘.

So, Tukarama has praised the Lord, ‘Oh! Lord, you have the garland around your neck, ‘tulsi har gad’ always there is a garland. Tulasi at your feet, tulasi around your neck because she is very dear. Something that is very dear to you, where you put that object? You put around your neck, so tulasi is very dear, so tulasi is around the neck of the Lord. ‘kase pitambar aavade nirantar hechi dhyana’ Oh! Lord, you with a tulasi garland and the bright yellow garments as you wear, I like to remember that form eternally. ‘makar kundale talapti shrwani kanti koustubhmani virajati’ makar kundale – then there are earrings like a shark, the fish and they are dazzling and that dazzle that glitter of the earrings then reflects on your face because they are shinning, sometimes shaking is there, so your face is already bright face, it becomes even more brighter as with the shinning of the earrings. ‘kanti koustubhmani virajati’ ‘ and around Your neck there kanti, kaustuba kaustubha, special mani jewel called kaustubha, no one else has a kaustubha jewel. When they did the churning of the ocean, the demigods on one side, the demons on another side and the milk ocean was being churned, 14 different items emerged from that churning and kaustubha mani was one of the jewels obtained and it was given to Vishnu, Krsna, oh! this is for You. So from that time onwards Vishnu is wearing that Kaustubha mani. Prior to that it was a bit difficult. If you go to Vaikuntha, the residence of Vaikuntha, they look like Vishnu with four hands, they also have crowns and so many similar features, so difficult to know who is who, you may be doing ‘jaya jagadish hare’ to some living entity (Laughter). You thought he is the Lord, that looks like Him, but that’s not Him! So, there was a difficulty like that in recognizing the Lord so He was given this kaustubha mani. That easy, right? One with the kaustubha mani is Vishnu, everyone else is His devotee, part and parcels. This kaustubha mani is like the I.D of the Lord. Oh! he is not the Lord, not the Lord, no kaustubha mani, not him, not him, not him, not him, Yes!! Him! Because He has kaustubha mani, ‘kanti koustubhmani virajati’.

So, “Tuka mhane maze hechi sarv sukh!! Pahin shri mukh avadine” Tukarama Maharaja says, this is it, this beautiful form of the Lord standing on the brick wearing yellow garments, tulasi garland around His neck, kaustubha mani on His chest and earrings hanging from His ears, this Lord, this I , I am just happy to meditate upon this Lord. So, this Lord, He came here from Dwarka and then He never went away! This deity is not installed by anybody; this understands of Tukarama and others. Lord came here and He stood here and He is waiting for His devotees to come to Him.

So, briefly you could say, that once in Dwarka, Rukmini noticed that her husband, Dwarakadhish was paying some extra attention to some young beautiful women. And she didn’t know who she was and the way He was mixing, mingling, very familiar and joking and He had good time and He was so friendly with them. And Rukmini was saying, Oh! Look! He is, He never behaves like this with me, first of all what business He has to talk with other women, so confidentially, so close and right here in my palace! In front of my nose! NO! She was very very upset, with her He has a different dealing, He acts like a boss, you shut up Rukmini, hey! I say shut down, but He was not doing like that; He was very friendly with these strange ladies. Rukmini has never seen before, certainly they were exceptionally beautiful, a group and there was one leader of that group. So, the gopis headed by Radharani, they were in Dwarka and so, Rukmini was naturally very disappointed with her husband, very upset, almost on the verge of going for divorce…just she didn’t go to any court or just she decided to quit or go away. So, she went away and travelled and travelled. Because she is from we could say so, we can’t read the mind of Rukmini, we don’t have access to Rukmini’s thoughts but we could say something that Rukmini appeared in Maharashtra is one of the state in India called Maharashtra. She appeared near Amravati, we have ISKCON center and we have ISKCON in the place of Rukmini’s birth!! Haribol!!

The birth place of Rukmini and we have 5 acres of land acquired in Rukmini’s birth place. Lots of time we do take this Maharashtrian tour to Rukmini’s birthplace, Kundinpur. It’s called Kundinpur. This time we didn’t go. I just received the call yesterday from our Akrura prabhu. He was in Kundinpur, Rukmini’s birthplace and he called and said we are also with Rukmini Dwarkanath. We are in Pandharpur, he is in Kundinpur, we were communicating and he is doing some initial land development, digging well and planting trees and fixing one hill; to have Govardhan hill, there is a hill already there and it was made like a Govardhan and so he is busy. In future you could go in Rukmini’s birthplace, so, she is from here. Maharashtra is very big, so that’s part of Maharashtra, so she left Gujarat, Dwarka, Gujarat state and she entered Maharashtra and finally she comes here on the bank of Chandrabhaga. There was a forest called Dindirvana, she selects this, some traces of the forest is still there, and so she was here by herself doing tapasya or leading various austere life away from opulence of Dwarka. And so there back in Dwarka when Dwarkadhish realized nowhere Rukmini to be found in the palace or in Dwarka town, then He started to search, looking for Rukmini.

There are two versions I have come across that says Dwarkadhish directly came here sitting in the chariot and He found Rukmini in Dindirvana, other side of the river; and the other version is, He went to Vrindavana first and from Vrndavana He came to, He was with, He took some cows with Him. He took cowherd boys with Him and the whole entourage is going around looking and searching and they came to a place called Gopalpur, that’s where you were there this morning. And you saw some footprints of the cows, the calves, yes or no? and flute, footprints, mark of the flute so that Gopala,Gopala Krsna, Gopalapur because Krsna came from Vrndavana and thus where He had come and He sits down takes His food, all the cowherd boys are sitting around Him and He finally finding Rukmini here.

So that 2 versions we can say He came directly from Dwarka, the other one He goes to Vrndavana and then He comes with the cows and cowherd boys from Vrndavana. Hence, the Gopalpur here. So He Dwarkadish, Sri Krsna tries to pacify her, His dear wife Rukmini but that didn’t work. She was very furious and fuming fired up.

So, Dwarkadish didn’t succeed so then He remembered, Lord remembered He had promised one devotee who was living in this area, that’s Lord promise was that He would visit him so Lord goes to visit him and his name is Pundalika and Lord knocked at the door. Hey! Who is it? That’s Me! So, Pundalika realized that from the deep voice, not ordinary voice, deep rumbling like when the clouds, thunder, like a thunder, sweet at the same time and he was a devotee and he had a promise. So, he was busy taking care of his vaisnava parents. “Serving vaisnavas is superior than serving Vishnu”. That philosophy. He requested Lord, ‘Lord I am a bit busy, please hold on, I’ll be just now finished, I’ll be with you, just few more minutes, so please take this, this asana for you.’ So, he took a brick and placed in front, please stand. So, Lord took that asana and stood there and then when he was done with serving his vaisnava parents, he was back with the Lord and then the dialogue. And very special appeal from this Pundalika to the Lord. ‘My dear Lord, you please stay here and thank you for your visit, I have been blessed. I am eternally indebted to you but I would like some many more in future blessed, benedicted by your presence, your darshan, so please stay here.’

And so, Lord decided, obliged and He stays on here, then after sometimes Rukmini, she was pacified, she forgave the Lord for His misbehavior, you could say so then she also joined. Because she joined a little later, she has separate temple, separate altar. They are not on the same altar as you have noticed. So, They have stayed on and They are here and we are here and it has taken long long time for us to directly come in contact with Lord face to face. So, this is not deity that was carved in Jaipur and then later on installed, that’s one way of doing things. The other way is called svayambhu, the Lord just manifests and becomes the deity. That is also not the case here. The third and very unique situation; that Lord during His manifest lila, He visits this place and He stands here, He becomes the deity, Lord. Like we know, Dwijavaninath from Navadwipa, there is Gaura Gadadhara temple in one of the nine islands. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Gadadhara they were visiting this Dwijavaninath and this devotee also requested, ‘My dear Lord, please you stay here’. So, when the Lords were requested, you please stay here, so the Lord became the deity but the two Lords also started towards Jagannatha Puri; that’s where They had to go but then this Dwijavaninath and Gauridas Pandit, two names I am hearing, two similar pastimes happened twice. I’ll say Dwijavaninath because I have heard that. So, when the Lords were walking towards Jagannatha Puri, They were leaving, Dwijavaninath ran, My Dear Lord, you stay.. you stay, then as he was requesting you stay, ok We stay. So, those who were walking towards Puri, they became deities and those who had earlier become deities, they began walking and as they are walking, he running to Them, hey! no, no You stay, you stay, ok We stay; They became deities and other party began walking. He was going back and forth and this pastime, Lord is trying to prove, I am not different from My deity and that we could also understand here.

So Lord stayed here and He also returned to Dwarka and continued His pastimes in Dwarka, not that everything was wound up here. That could be big question, oh! Then what happen to the remaining pastimes of the Lord? They happened as They returned. He stayed here and returned to Dwarka at the same time. So, that Lord is here, whole Gopalapur dimension is here, its Krsna, Vitthala is Krsna.

You saw Him eating butter? You noticed? They offered Him big bowl in the middle of arati. You took notice of that? It happens for few minutes….in the middle of the bathing, abhishek, the arati is going on and He is also offered a bowl butter, so He is Krsna. So, that is the basic foundation of ideas, pastimes and once the Lord was here, then always His devotees and Caitanya Mahaprabhu visits then Nityananda prabhu then many others, Sankaracharya and Tukarama. Aand there is chanting and dancing, ya, there lots of faith in chanting the Holy name people have in Maharashtra. Lots of Bhagavad Gita is also distributed in Maharashtra, Marathi language. The most sold Bhagavad Gita as It Is in India is in Marathi language!! More than Hindi, combined sales of India, Hindi Bhagavad Gita distributions, that is defeated by the scores of Bhagavad Gita in Marathi. There is big demand, big number. I remember when 30 years ago, I was selling Bhagavad Gita for 10 rupees, I sold Bhagavad Gita for 10 rupees, whole day I was saying “gita gya gita bagha” .

Hari bol!!

“Om Namo Bhagvate Vasudevaya”

So today is very last, this is very last day of the whole session (laughter) time for celebration, finally. You’re happy that you have learned a lot or happy that you’ve finished? Studies never finish I was talking the other day it’s a long life long process, ever learning remain students for rest of your life, keep learning. What is the topic? Surrender. What is the big topic? What is the subject that you study? Or we all study? What is the subject or object of our knowledge? Krishna.

So much to know, every time you know you become joyful properly situated ‘Sthitosmi gata sandeh’ (B.G 18.73) this goes on every day, every day you know more sthitosmi, sthitah-asmi properly situated more properly situated grounded, otherwise ‘kamala-dala-jala jivana talamala’ (Laughter) can’t settle may be tilting, collapsing, sinking, terminating but with the knowledge hearing which is bhakti yoga a person is svarupena, finally ‘sva-rupena vyavasthitih’. Svarup, sva- our, own rupa our own form in relationship with the Lord not that we separately situate ourselves. We situate ourselves at the lotus feet of the Lord. ‘dhuli-sadrisham vichintaya-sthitah, tava pada-pankaja-sthita’ sthiosmi-situated where? At the lotus feet. And acting not just sitting situated sitting acting kayena- acting with the body, manasa-with the mind, budhya-with the intelligence. kevalya indriyerapi- even all the senses are active engaged employed in the service of the Lord. “Yoginah karma kuruvanti” – yogi’s act this is how they become Bhakti yogis. One kind of Yogi’s they are jnani’s, so they attain only shanta-rasa, they are Jnani Bhaktas and they attain shanti, peace.

“The Gopis are never peaceful” (laughter).

Always running where is Krishna where is Krishna? When I am going to see Him? Where I am going to get flowers for Him on the banks of Kusum sarovar. When we meet Him? Is someone going to interrupt our meeting? Or is Madhumangal going to be coming? O! I got rid of Madhu, O! I got rid of Madhu.

You know that pastime at Premasarovar, Madhumangal comes with a stick for bumble bee that was disturbing Kishor-Kishori. He thought why is this bumble bee bothering the divine couple? So he came with a stick and droves it away. And while it was going away, O! I got rid of Madhu I got rid of Madhu. Then Radharani jumps into conclusion that he got rid of my Madhusudan. Finally we had met finally we had met and this rascal Madhumangal he got rid of my Madhusudan. She jumps to that conclusion and she is feeling all vacant without Madhusudan and She is into tears. Krishna was next to Her and He was like I am here I am here, He makes attempt, she was gone no external consciousness she was deep within. So He could not convince that He was next to Her. Seeing Radharani in that sorry state of existence Krishna, He was influenced He was overwhelmed and He was into tears seeing Radharani’s state of mind and the separation. And Radha’s tears and Krishna’s tears they were flowing down they were mixing and flowing and they were filling up a lake. Filling up a whole lake with tears of Radha and Krishna. So that lake is still there today in between Barsana and Nandgaon. That lake is called Prema sarovar. So the Gopis life is not that peaceful.

So Bhakti yogis are busy engaging their body, mind, intelligence, sense whatever else is in their possession. So ‘tvadiya vastu govinda tubhyam- eva samarpaye’, this is the attitude, we are talking of attitude or person in knowledge he comes to conclusion that ‘Tvadiya vastu Govinda’ Hey! Govind all these vastu all these things in my possession are yours. Hence what do I do? I offer them back to You. Engage them in your service. Oh! Then I become free become liberated. Otherwise it’s just big burden. Some people don’t mind that burden they go on increasing burden.

Srila Prabhupada once told humorous story of an old lady carrying a big bundle of stick. Wind coming blew away her bundle of sticks. Started telling ‘Please Please God wherever you are please appear here. When God appeared, ‘Yes lady what could I do for you? Please help. Don’t you see this bundle of stick this is mine I had collected them. Please help so God was helping kept the bundle on head, lady was in business and Bye!..(Laughter).
The Karmis or others may not offer everything to the Lord. They may need help just to increase their burden. Karma, karma is performed by karmis and Karmis are into furtive activities furtive results. So there is karma mishra and jnana mishra. The knowledgeable person as we heard this morning Kapil dev instructs his mother he performed devotional service, surrender everything unto the Lord it is His.

“Appropriate attitude of a preacher in reference to Nectar of Devotion”

Here is the attitude, the author of Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, Srila Rupa Gosvami, very humbly submits that he is just trying to spread Krishna consciousness all over the world, although he humbly thinks himself unfit for this work. So we are Rupanugas, anuga means one who goes after Acharyas, go and then anu behind you go then you become Prabhupadanuga –Rupanuga- Acharyanuga.

So “sri-caitanya-mano-bhistam sthapitum yena bhtu-tale, svayam rupah kada mahyam dadati sva-padantikam”. So Rupa goswami and like him the other Acharyas they know ‘Sri Caitanya mano abhistam’- what is on the mind of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu they know. Caitanya Mahaprabhu was reciting very confidential verse at the time of rathayatra. It was in the mind of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and later on Caitanya Mahaprabhu found out the kutir of Rupa goswami He found a piece of paper maybe some leaf and that verse which He was thinking of was found He was surprise, how come, and who is it? Who read my mind? And there was none other than Rupa goswami. That time when Mahaprabhu had arrived at Rupa goswami’s kutir Rupa goswami was in the ocean taking his noon bath and as he returned, are you the one? Is this yours? So Rupa goswami had access to the mind of Caitanya Mahaprabhu- Sri Caitanya mano abhistam. Because Lord is cause of all causes including this one, Caitanya Mahaprabhu revealed this verse into the heart of Rupa Goswami.

So Acharyas they know the mind of the Lord, mission of the Lord they execute the mission. But they always humbly think that they are unfit to do this work. That should be the attitude of all preachers in Krishna conscious movement. That is all you all are preachers propagators of Krishna consciousness. Brahmins, learned brahmins and pandits what does pandit Brahmin do? Pathan-paathan. Pathan-paathan he studies and he teaches this is a primary function of brahmin. Adhyan-Adhyapan studying shastras keeping his life simple not complicating otherwise he will have to work. There is no time of studies, no time for sharing the knowledge. So he keeps his life simple bare minimum necessities. His thoughts are high; life is simple, simple living high thinking.

So what is high thinking? What is highest thought?

Krishna Conscious related thoughts, Krishna’s thoughts in Bhagvat Gita this is high thinking, Bhagvatam this is high thinking. So when those high thoughts are there then we could also one could also manage with simple living without high thinking simple living is not possible it’s difficult. Those who wish to be live simple simply not just simply living (laughter) simple living and simply living there is difference. So you should take note of what is high thinking. We keep on saying high thinking high thinking simple living high thinking, what is high thinking? Krishna consciousness. Think like God thinking like god, so our father is our Lord of course just little fraction of all that God things we could, we have limits we could only choose so much, store only so much thoughts accumulate, assimilate or capability capacity small same thought just some bits of those thoughts God’s thoughts. God’s thought thinking like God, Godly person who becomes godly doesn’t become god. He becomes godly because his thoughts are like God. They are good godly then they are good for that person who is thinking and others those who come into his contact those who listen to him whole welfare.

We should never think of ourselves as great preacher but should always consider that we are simply instrumental to the previous acharyas and simply by following in their footsteps we may be able to do something for benefit of suffering humanity, so that kind of attitude. We are never independent we are dependent or interdependent or independently thoughtful. Prabhupada said he would like to see his followers independently thoughtful. Srila Prabhupada that Markine Bhagvata and Srila Prabhupada is in Boston and when he saw people in Boston when he saw the rat race. Like a rat people are moving backwards and forwards. Srila Prabhupada is there with the Caption Pandey of the Jaladuta boats captain- ‘Swamiji come we’ll go for a little walk.’ This is the first time Srila Prabhupada has touched the land of America, land of opportunities they say. By seeing the mood of the people there and Prabhupada was like oh! These people are not even stopping. How do I preach? But Lord You have brought me here and my Guru maharaj has desired that I go to the west and preach Krishna Consciousness in English language. And Prabhupada started praying he gets on the boat. Now boat is going from Boston to New York. Srila Prabhupada is with pen and paper in boat and he is writing.

“nachao prabhu nachao nachao sei mate ami to kasteir putali” – I am just a puppet in your hand my dear Lord make me dance Oh ! Lord make me dance as you feel make me dance, let me talk or dance as you feel. My name is Bhaktivedanta now you have to prove, do something so that Bhakti and Vedanta, I am supposed to be equipped with Bhakti and Vedanta the conclusion of the Vedas are known to this person he is embodiment of bhakti. So you get something done through me use me. That’s the mood he is praying to his Guru maharaj, praying to Shri Krishna. And always giving credit to his Guru maharaj ‘MY GURU MAHARAJ MY GURU MAHARAJ’. I am sure you have heard Srila Prabhupadas lectures when he makes reference to his guru maharaj the way he says “my Guru Maharaj” with his heart. He is proud and heartful, mouthful my guru mahraj and that if there is anything miraculous you are seeing westerners have taken to Krishna consciousness this is mercy of My Guru Maharaj. I feel his presence always as if My Guru Maharaj is next to me and asking me to do this do that he is watching.

Oh! Why he is Bhavktivedanta Swami Maharaj he passes by Bhaktisiddhant sarasvati Samadhi whenever he comes to Kolkata to Mayapur he does not get out, he doesn’t pay respect to his guru maharaj samadhi some of god brothers. Srila Prabhupads god brothers making comment like this and finally these comments reaches Prabhupada and (bang on the table) what do they think my guru maharaj and he is always next to me. So whether every time he got out of the car and offered his obeisance’s not, he said always my guru maharaj is next to me. He is present he is guiding me I feel his presence.

“krsna se tomara, krsna dite paro, tomara sakati ache, ami to kangala, krsna krsna boli, dhai tava pache pache”. This is the mood of the preacher or a follower, he humbly submits that Krishna is with you, you have Krishna you have Krishna, and you are competent to give that Krishna to me hence I am running after you ‘dhai tava pache pache’. I am just pauper and have no good qualities I am just made up of your mercy. All these quotes our Acharyas have beautifully written sung in the poetry of Bhaktivinod, Narottam Das thakur. So simply by following in their footsteps we may to do something for the benefit of suffering humanity. So on our own we don’t do nothing much, we are we do on behalf of our previous acharyas, our spiritual master then we are empowered and we are able to accomplish something. That mood is not there then we are cut off then dry branch of the Caitanya tree (laughter). That branch may be still on the tree and acting in some way but it is all dry. Not only the branch should be part of the trunk of the tree all the juice going through it then leaves and the flowers and the fruits and then one offers that to others. Ok so just little glimpse of that mood, we were contemplating our attitude appropriate attitude of the preacher of Krishna Consciousness.

And then what happens today were you given some home work? Ok. Students reading assignment Bhagvat Gita chapter 18 verse is 56 all the way to the end of the chapter. And then it says identify and discuss the relevant significance verses mentioned in the Bhagvat Gita that section last chapter. This sections this group of verses. So you have studied all these verses? What does that mean you have memorized kanthastha? Learned by heart or Learned by throat? Yeah these are really wonderful verses. One should put oneself himself at the position of Arjun and listen hear Bhagvat Gita.

Bhagvat Gita is targeted towards each one of us.

Then Arjun is asking question they are like our question. We don’t even know how to ask or what question to be asked. Arjun is doing all that perfect questions perfect answers that is what this dialogue is Bhagvat Gita. World has heard or seen how many dialogue right now how many dialogue are going on in the world? 100? (Laughter) everywhere every nook and corner wherever you go. On the earth, in the ocean, on the trees, in the sky, in the heaven, in the hell. Talk on mobile has become cheaper now so people are just talking talk it up Chat, chatting talk is cheap talking has become cheap now. Because it cost less talk is becoming cheaper and cheaper there is no quality no substance of people no quality people are just talking not even thinking just talking. They use to say just do it now it’s just talk it. So these are all dialogues they are all conversations and then this world has experienced one extra ordinary dialogue“samvadam imam adbhutam” that wonderful, astounding, amazing, divine conversation and that is this Bhagvat Gita.

“gita sugita kartavya kim anyaih sastra-vistaraih” what is the need of any other conversation any other dialogue any other sastra this is “ekam sastram devaki-putra-gitam”- One sastra is enough, one scripture is enough Bhagvat Gita.

So the Lord had come He did come and if He had gone and returned to His own abode without giving Bhagavt Gita then what would we be doing? Lord will stay on His spiritual sky and we would stay here on and on and on… He wanted us to follow Him. Get out of here go back to Him and to do that He has left this message behind in the form of Bhagvat Gita, Haribol Haribol Haribol. Meaning what? Spirit soul. So anyone wants to make some comments? Observations? You found something significant got some realization which you would like to share with us?

(Devotee asking question about sikha and feeling sleepy in class) (Maharaj says) It might be boring my presentation; you should tie your Shikha to the fan there and put it on, fan on (Laughter). In good old days the gurukulies they use to have their shikhas tied. So you are not the first one and only one it’s a tradition. Ya ok, you want something which will wake you up? Once and for all when you think you have to when you stop thinking then. One mantra wakes you up in ISKCON they say ‘maha-prasade govinde’ you wake up ‘Om namo bhagavate’ (Laughter).

Yes Prabhu (another devotee asking question) well, lot of time you are given instruction to do this. Spiritual master they give general instructions and he gives some specific instruction do this or do padayatra or print books or distribute books or preach in English language. Yes do scientific preaching life comes from life and not matter prove this to the dull headed scientist otherwise kick on their face. So once you are given this assignment and you are in the field to accomplishing it and this is when the attitude that we just talked about you are not independent. Because this activity of preaching is not a mundane material activity mercy factor is there. And current has to flow from Krishna to whole disciplic succession to you then you are empowered. “krsna-sakti vina nahe tara pravartana” what is the other part? “kali-kalera dharma hari nama-sankirtana” dharma for this age of kali is nama sankirtan and to propagate this sankirtan movement “krsna-sakti vina nahe tara pravartana” Krishna is shakti.

By mercy of spiritual master we get that shakti we get intelligence whatever it takes to do it.

As soon as again we think we think we are the doers I am the doer I don’t need anybody I can do myself and pride and all that then whole flow of that energy, flow of empowerment is blocked then your mind becomes a bad conductor. Electricity when it flows there some wires and metals are good conductor it is said some are bad conductor they creates resistance something that is flowing and something else resists it protects it or blocks it from flowing or coming to you. When fan has regulator and regulator is on 5 so fan is? (Fuhhhh) fastest speed so what does that what is happening there? What regulator is doing? Least resistance so current is coming from power house and to those wires and to your house. So the regulator on 5 means allows current to flow whatever current is coming all supplied to that fan. If it is in the middle it is blocked only so much current is allowed to go to the fan and move the fan. If it is on 1 it’s more resistance more blockage only little leakage little flow is allowed and then fan moves also slow and then when it is on 0 complete blockage and no flow of current, fan is there everything is there whole setup is there but no movement because everything is blocked.

So this attitude of mind intelligence how that function what we think or what is our mood with that either we allow parampara to act through us or we block that whole energy or flow whole mercy whole intelligence and then your pride and your this. So our capacity to function one could accomplish so much we should not think I could do only so much but if you allow Krishna to work through us than unlimited. See how much Prabhupada accomplished so it wasn’t just 70 year old man who is penny less and friend less as he appears externally. But he was neither penny-less he had wealth of the holy name and he was not friend less he had best friend with him that is Krishna and the holy name. Just see how much was accomplished otherwise this is 70 year old man who doesn’t even leave home what to speak of going overseas and.. Hmm is that enough?

(Another question from a devotee) Start thinking and a simple life would be a byproduct which you just follow. If you keep thinking high think of Krishna your bodily concept would be nil or just to keep body and soul together kind of philosophy and if that’s not the case than all the lust, all the greed, all the anger of the world will take over and there is no end to how much you have to accumulate to fulfill the desires. So this Mr. Anger Prabhupada says- Mr. Lust and he has younger brother he said called anger. ‘kamat krodho bhijayate’ (BG 2.62) from kama comes from krodha so first there is kama- lust and then from lust comes anger.

So this world is very busy it is accumulating and there is no end to all that greed. One thing is a need, Mahatma Gandhi said need is ok so basic need you need some little shelter, few set of cloth, food to eat like that basic needs you have right to fulfill your needs. But when the greed is taken over there is no end to it. So they try to do this family planning they try to decrease the number of people on the planet or in the country. So they think that each one will have enough if less people X amount of wealth. People are less so each one gets little more share let’s cut down the population cut down. But that is not really the solution. Finally say there are only 2 people cutting down cutting down now only 2. What do those 2 people think? You will think 2 is too many, 2 person is too many there should be only 1 and that’s me. Because you know I have to share 50:50 he gets the half of the wealth of the country or the planet goes to him only half I get. This is not fare because the condition soul ‘ishvaro aham’ that’s the disease. I am the controller and he is competing he is competing with the Lord right? Unknowingly living entity is competing with the Lord. So as much Lord has, no I should have that much. I cannot be half Lord I want to be full Lord. So if this high thinking is not there, proper thinking is not there Krishna Conscious thinking teachings of Bhagvat Gita one has not learned then there is no end. You are high living lifestyle and death style even I will die in a style.

(Question by a devotee) what does he say there and what verse is He saying? ‘yathecchasi tatha kuru’ (B.G 18.63) Krishna is Krishna may be giving option but we don’t. I was just listening it’s said that the spiritual master is more merciful than Krishna in one sense that Krishna gives choice but spiritual master just do the right thing just do this. Not this or that it goes ill together the spiritual life and material life and sense gratification and sinful life goes ill together. We cannot have one foot in one boat and one foot in another boat. It is very awkward. So you have to take off the foot from the other boat and just be in a boat that is going back to home we are going back to home tin tin tin tin some devotees play guitar we are going back to home (Singing).
So that means they have to come on this boat. Yeah so I mean first we encourage them to practice this devotional service high thinking and then they will give up the lower nature lower thinking. So when those young American boys and girls the early followers they were coming there were no screening on the door only pure devotees come in everyone else out, everyone was welcome and everyone was encouraged to chant and dance and sit down little philosophy and Prabhupada was personally feeding them prasad cooked by him, offered by him even washing pots afterwards. Then at certain point he introduced 4 regulative principle and those who wish to follow will join our mission you have to follow regulative principle are you ready? And they were ready by that time. So that is all step by step approach brings them higher and higher and higher.

So we know what the goal is ‘bhaktya mam abhijanati yavan yas casmi tattvata?’ (B.G 18.55) to know tattvatah. Lord is stressing herein verse 55 ‘tato mam tattvato jnatva’ one who knows Me tattvatah is very important to know tattva, siddhanta, philosophy or things as they are, then that person will enter ‘visate tad-anantaram’. “sarva-karmany api sada kurvano mad-vyapasrayah mat-prasadad avapnoti sasvatam padam avyayam” (B.G 18.56). So then that person will attain final destination eternal destination that’s Lord’s abode. ‘cetasa sarva-karmani’ (B.G 18.57) so with all intelligence full Krishna Consciousness you render all services ‘sarva-karmani sannyasya’, sannyasya giving up whatever is false.

‘buddhi-yogam upasritya mac-cittah satatam bhava” (B.G 18.57)

‘mac-cittah’ means Krishna consciousness in your chetana there is Krishna mac-cittah. I am in your consciousness you become like that 24 hours a day Prabhupada is translating ‘mac-cittah sarva-durgani mat-prasadat tarisyasi’(B.G 18.58) . So by Lord’s grace ‘mat-prasadat sarva-durgani’ durga, ga means going and du means dushkar very difficult to go or cross over transcend. So ‘mat-prasadat’–by my mercy you will be able to overcome. ‘atha cet tvam ahankaran na srosyasi vinanksyasi’ but you don’t listen to me because of your pride this is like towards the end, Krishna has been talking for past 40 minutes few more minutes to go before He would conclude His conversation then He says because of false ego if you don’t listen to Me then you will be lost.
‘yad ahankaram asritya na yotsya iti manyase’(B.G 18.59) I will not fight because if your false pride if you would take that stand I will not fight then by my nature you will have to be engaged in warfare and whole purport and nice things explained. Everyone has a propensity he is a kshatriya so fighting is natural for him. So if he doesn’t fight for Krishna doesn’t use his propensity for Krishna then he will use it for something else he will kill some sparrows some birds. It is in the blood in the system if he doesn’t do for Krishna then ‘isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna tisthati’ (B.G 18.61) very nice verse “bhramayan sarva-bhutani yantrarudhani mayaya” isvarah although isvarah parmeshwar Himself is talking so Krishna is talking as if you know He is Isvarah. Isvarah sarva-bhutanam, isvarah stays in the heart of all the living entity. He doesn’t say I reside elsewhere off course He had said that ‘aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate’.

“aham isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese”- desh also means country isvarah stays in a country called heart ‘hrd-dese’ this is a desh there is a one nationality one country called hridaya heart and isvarah, isvara resides there. Sarva-bhutanam and only yantra mentioned by Lord in Bhagvat Gita is body is yantra and soul is riding on that yantra and yantra is made up of maya and wandering around and isvarah is also next to him.

‘tam eva saranam gaccha’ tam-eva who is tam? to that ‘isvarah sarva-bhutanam hrd-dese arjuna’, tam unto that Lord or ‘tam eva saranam gaccha’ gaccha- go because he is scared of me (laughter) Kamsa says because he is scared he is gone into cave in the heart of living entity he is hiding and Shiva is in cremation ground and Bramha is this he is talking about and his followers are doing all this flattery, o! you are such a hero and we are with you. You don’t have to worry about this Vishnu don’t worry about this. Ya, so even they knew where the Lord is residing.

‘tat-prasadat param santim sthanam prapsyasi sasvatam’ (B.G 18.62) So shanti sthanam the abode of peace is Lord is achieved as one surrenders unto Him. Now He says I am going to tell you ‘guhyad guhya-taram maya’ I have explained confidential or even more confidential knowledge unto you. You should contemplate ‘vimrsyaitad asesena’ take your time deliberate upon all that I have said to you and then ‘yathecchasi tatha kuru’. Yes I know you have minute independence I am not going to force you, you have independence so fight -not fight it is up to you. That minute independence so Lord is giving there’s a scope to exercise that.

‘man-mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru’ (B.G 18.65) now this is called guhyatamam this statement ‘sarva-guhyatamam bhuyah srnu me paramam vacah’ (18.64) Now I have spoken something guhya confidential I say something guhyatar- something more confidential but now I am going to talk guhyatamam the most confidential. And what is that most confidential thing? ‘man mana bhava mad-bhakto mad-yaji mam namaskuru mam evais?yasi satyamte pratijane priyo si me’ come to me and man-mana four times here. Lord says, you do four things but every time He says His name is attached, man mana your mind fixed upon Me. ‘Man mana bhava mad bhakto’ take notes of this mad bhakta, man mana mad bhakta become My devotee. Mad-yaji when it comes to offering offer worship, worship Me. Mam namaskuru and obeisance’s also unto Me.

So there is no room for speculation it’s very clear person who is standing before Arjun just remember Me. Become My devotee, worship Me and your obeisance’s unto Me. And if you did so then? Mam evaisyasi, you will achieve Me. And this is the truth and I promise and I well because I love you I like you Arjun. So you come back to me, I would like you to come back to Me. And for sure you will come back I promise this so as we said we can put ourselves in the shoes or in position of Arjun and Lord is talking to us. You will you will come to Me ‘mam evaisyasi satyam’ there was no need for Lord to say I am speaking the truth because all that Lord speaks is only truth and nothing else but the truth.

Trisatyam Lord is described by those demigods when Lord was appearing in Mathura those prayers. And then now “sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja” so give up Christianity give up Islam is it saying that? Yes or no? Give up or not give up? Give up Christianity? No could it refer is it possible? They did not even exist. Buddhism is 2500 years old. Krishna did not say but well it’s a big subject matter.

(Devotee asking question) well quickly in the first chapter Arjuna is concerned about different dharmas. Jaati dharma this dharma that dharma and whole first chapter Arjuna is talking about different obligations towards society towards that. So Krishna is -give up that all those dharma’s because those dharmas were keeping Arjuna from battling or fighting those things were coming in the way of executing the will of the Lord, which is devotional service of the Lord. So give up all those dharma’s then He had said when appears ‘dharma samsthapanarthaya’ Lord had just said I appear to establish dharma and next thing He says give up varieties of dharma. So there is some distinction Lord appears to establish the principles of dharma but there are some principles which are to be given up or secondary but then dharma is mentioned OK give up all the varieties of religion then what do I do?. ‘mam ekam saranam vraja’ that is dharma ‘mam ekam saranam vraj’ that is dharma. And everything else that comes in between stops you from surrendering unto Krishna including demigod worship, karmakanda, jnanakanda, this kanda that kandakevala vishera bhand they are part of the shastras then finally there was Gita and Bhagvat we were hearing this morning.

“So Bhagvatam has made easy only Bhakti no other thing”

So goal is to come to the level of bhakti. Bhakta performs bhakti and achieves Bhagavan so that’s the dharma of the soul. The soul is bhakta he performs bhakti devotional service and achieves bhagavan is Supreme Personality of Godhead. So everything extra and all that neeti and morality and this obligation that obligation that has to be given up. Jnana mishra and karma mishra bhakti.

“anyabhilasita-sunyam jnana-karmady-anavrtam anukulyena krsnanu-silanam bhaktir uttama”.
“na dhanam na janam na sundarim kavitam va jagad-isha kamaye mama janmani janmanishvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki tvayi”.

So this verse is also talking ‘na dhanam na janam na sundari’ this is no karma I don’t want to be karmi enjoy life this aspect that aspect and life and perform this yagya and get a beautiful wife and beauty or elevation to higher planets. I am not into that na dhanam this karma and karmi results of karma furtive activities which is part of dharma which is part of the sashtra, compete package it is there is listed. And then ‘mama janmani janmanishvare’ no karma no jnana ‘mama janmani janmanishvare’ I don’t want liberation either. I don’t want to be karmi furtive worker no karma no jnana and result of it liberation. Janmani janmani, I am willing to take birth I don’t mind taking birth but in each birth I would aspire for one thing and that is ‘bhaktir ahaituki tvayi’. Aspire for bhakti what kind of bhakti ahaituki tvayi no no motivation no ya it’s causeless devotional service.

So this dhanam janam this karma and this to mukti this is a part of a complete package of dharma. So some of these things are to be given up and that is ‘sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam’. So with this we will have to look at Quran as we look at Puran also. Some other things from puran are to be given up to go higher or to achieve the final destination Golok or Krishna’s lotus feet. So likewise we have to give up, Quran for sure they do stress on one, no demigods the cleansing is done some kind of ‘sarva dharman paritayajya’ and that aspect the demigod they did the marjanam, even at the time of Mohammad when he appeared they were worshipping some kind of 600 demigods they still have the list of 600. So they stress one of course impersonal for sure, they just have wall and they offer obeisances, there is no altar or no form.

‘mam janmani janmani ishware’ – I don’t want liberation, I am ready to take birth after birth, I don’t aspire to become liberated merge in Brahman, which is result of jnana, the jnanis are they have Brahman realization, merging into Brahman. Don’t mind taking birth but in each birth devotional service. Ok so this topic is big topic ‘sarva dharman parityajya’ this is the crux of the matter, in fact if this could be understood we should be understanding this thoroughly well this is like the essence. We should clear on what is Lord is talking about ‘Mam Ekam Saranam Vraja’.

Sometimes there is comment about this vraja, vraja means to go, vraj also means Brajmandal you go to Brajamandal. You take shelter of Braj and go to Braj. Give up all mundane material world just go to Braj, go to Vrindavan or go to Mayapur same. This Braj is equal to Mayapur and Braj non different. Love thy Lord with all their heart with all their strength. This is Bible, talking about love but then they also talk of, oh! Lord give us our daily bread. And Prabhupada said this is ofcourse that could be like “arto jijnasur artharthi jnani ca bharatarsabha” (B.G 7.16) 4 kinds of people come to me, those who are in need of artha some economic development.

So Srila Prabhupada was one time few of us were there in Mumbai and just before we were to leave for preaching he was explaining the difference that they pay to Lord O! God to give us or daily bread not pure. He appreciated at least they are approaching God but then he cited the example of Yashoda. Yashoda feeds bread and butter to the Lord. If He doesn’t come on time then she goes with a stick (laughter). Bread is ready butter is ready, instead you asking or begging give us daily bread, give us bread and butter. Here devotees says God eat bread butter.

So they are some seeds you will find in Quran and bible. Even 99 names of Allah are mentioned in Quran. That’s why when they chant on beads their beads have 99 beads not 108 because 99 names. But ‘namaste saraswati deve gaura-vani-pracharine nirvishesha-shunyavadi pashchatya-desha-tarine ‘. So trouble is with Hinduism included and Buddhism for sure and this Islam and Christianity this is all impersonalize voidism the karmi the karma you will find some karma in Puran and Quran as well. Jnana you will find there as well furtive activities. So in that sense this is to be given up, if the Hinduism is to be given up. I mean the essence of Hinduism is Krishna Consciousness. Whatever is not a substantial there is something secondary or something so those things are to be given up. And then you get something in return and that is ‘mam eka’, ekam-we. And we were hearing this morning they are so many incarnations of the Lord so Bhagavan but svayam Bhagavan is “ete camsa-kala? pumsah k?snas tu bhagavan svayam” (S.B 1.3.28). So there is difference between Bhagavan and svayam Bhagavan. So here svayam Bhagavan is ekam.

“Have you seen our Krishna?”

Krishna took temporarily form of Narayan and stepped in front of them and Namo Narayana they offer their obeisance and inquired, have you seen Krishna? And then this so called Narayan heard this enquiry, “have you seen our Krishna?” This Narayana could not maintain His position (laughter). So Gopis kind of dragged Krishna from Narayana He was just playing doing little drama in humors ways, He added some hands here and there. He had hidden his flute but when heard their enquiry, “have you seen our Krishna?” Krishna ‘mam ekam’ their Krishna had to appear and His hands were dropped off. Krishna takes His flute and played the flute. So ‘mam ekam’ and then ok He did not make any progress.

And then after that ‘mam ekam sharanam’ yesterday we were dealing with Krishna don’t preach to those who are not austere and at least four conditions were mentioned. Those who are not into devotional service, those who are not bhaktas, those who are envious to them do not preach. And then, but He says those who preach they become very dear to Me. And Oh! Dhananjay you have heard this with attentive mind. He is again enquiring Arjun all that I am talking now have you heard did you hear with attention? You are with Me? You are focused? He is enquiring like that. We also have to see whether we were focused. So is your ignorance and illusion now dispelled? And this will happen only when hearing was with attention, focused. Result of such hearing oral reception receiving Krishna through ears. Seeing Lord also with the help of ears, we don’t see much with eyes, see with the ears. So have you done this? In response to that Arjun says yes yes, I did it. And as a result now “nas?o mohah” we talked yesterday or day before about that but we have been talking “O! Infallible one, my illusion is now gone, I have regained my memory by your mercy this has happened”. And I am now firm and free from doubt and I am prepared to act according to your instructions and dialogue ends there.

So there is no need whole talk started in the middle of the battle early morning hours on Moksada Ekadasi day at sun rise time Krishna had to talk army ready to go conch shells are being blown. And then Krishna had to get into this conversation because Arjun Dhanurdhar he is dharurdhar but not ready to fight. But now he is ready to fight so no need to talk further so Krishna stops.

As soon as Arjun yes ‘karisye vacanam tava’ then everything has stopped. So officially the dialogue the samvad ends here between Krishna and Arjun and you could count sometimes someone has counted Dhritarashtra speaks once only and Sanjay spoke so many verses Arjun I think some 70 or verses are somebody saying 80? So sounds 70-80 I forgot the exact numbers so there is number like that and then Krishna has spoken over 600 verses and then Sanjay is another dialogue going on his dialogue ended Kurukshetra dialogue has come to an end but Hastinapur continue. So this Sanjay uvaca is talking in Hastinapur and ‘roma-harshanam’. And what is happening to him as he was hearing? The hair standing on end as I have heard this conversation then he says I was able to hear this conversation “vyasa-prasadac chrutavan” (B.G 18.75) you should take note of this Sanjay says I was able to hear because of the mercy of Srila Vyasadev because Srila Vyasadev gave that extra ordinary power to see and hear this was given to Sanjay.
He was ready to give it to Dhritarashtra himself but Dhritarashtra declined, no no if I see now I’ll be seeing distraction of my sons only. So better I remain blind then Vyasadev had given special vision power, doordarshan television to Sanjay and this is ‘vyasa prasadaC’ I was able to hear directly ‘yogesvarat k?snat’ directly from Krishna I have heard and as I keep hearing this samvad ‘adbhut samvad drishyami’ I am becoming very joyous, Jolly happy. I take great pleasure and punah punah again and again as I remember also remember that “rupam adbhutam’ hari’s form. He is coming to my mind. And vismayah wonderful “hr?yami ca puna? puna?” and I am enjoying. So these are the reactions responses of Sanjay who also was a witness to this conversation he was directly hearing and relating that with Dhritarashtra.

In the beginning Dhritarashtra enquired “Kim kurvat sanjay” First verse chapter one text one ‘O! Sanjay please tell me please tell me’. What did they do? So what did they do? Means who is winning who is losing the battle? So this is beauty of Bhagvat Gita the circle is getting completed. The note on the note that Bhagvat Gita started now it is ending on that note. And Sanjay is reply to Dhritarashtra he says wherever or you wanted to know Kim kurvat what is happening at the battle and I must tell this to you. And wherever this Yogesvar Krishna and this partha this dhanurdhatra there you will see 4 things ‘tatra srir vijayo bhutir dhruva nitir matir mama’ (B.G 18.78). As far as my mati goes my intelligence functions as far as I know the shastras and have done experience I must tell you this that who is going to be victorious who will win in the battle? Because battle is just now starting but he is ready to give the conclusion from his experience.

“Their victory is guaranteed”

Although this battle is going be won by? Arjun party. “Pandavas vijayastu pandu-putranam yesham pakshe janardana”. Vijayastu pandu putranam. So Pandu putra’s vijay is guaranteed. Sons of Pandu will be victorious why? Esham pakshe janardhana, Janardhana is on their side, so their victory is guaranteed. So this is wise man like Sanjay could from their experience their realization they could draw conclusion like this. And the first word of Bhagvat Gita is? “Dharma” last word is “mama” so this Bhagvat Gita is mama dharma my dharma. This is Krishna’s my dharma. I have given this dharma. My dharma is Bhagvat Gita. Laws of the Lord, dharma is laws of the Lord. Laws are given by Me in Bhagvat Gita from “dharma to mama”. First word Dharma last word Mama in between it is dharma mama dharma.
So “6 items of Surrender” someone could write 6 items of surrender? Who knows what are they one by one? Ok

Whatever is favorable you accept that’s first, of course listing is one thing it’s not easy to know what is favorable there could be big debates and fights on what is favorable

2) Whatever is unfavorable you reject. Kick out that’s easy right? That’s how it is again same thing discrimination determining what is unfavourable. Because mind is going to be playing big role always accept -reject ‘sankalpa-vikalpa’ at every moment mind is doing this. So above the mind is? Intelligence, and above that is soul and super soul. So with the help of Caitya guru and with the help of our superiors Spiritual Master we’ll have to come to right conclusions what is unfavorable for me. What is favorable for me? Food for someone could be poison for others. Each varna each ashram that quite of wide variety of list. Favorable list unfavorable acceptance rejection.

3) Having firm faith that Krishna will protect. We struggle even in does God exist? Then we have to get over that first. Does God exist? So not only god exists but He will protect us, that’s the sign of Surrender.

4)Krishna is only maintainer our only Visvambhar, Vishvambhar ok maintenance is also His portfolio G.O.D – He is Generator He is Operator He is Destroyer. So God Vishnu maintains Krishna maintains specially maintenance of our devotion not just feed our body which animal’s bird’s bodies are also fed and eating sleeping is going on. Our maintenance devotee maintenance is not just soap and toothbrush and life insurance these days you are working on. ‘Yogakshena vahavyam’ so it’s not just material needs but body mind soul has needs and maintenance.

5) Self surrender -full surrender, ‘atma nikshep’ OK what is atma nikshep? Fully surrender as per His wishes you act.

6) And on the top of that we have to be humble, is that difficult? How big is the soul? Not big. By nature we are humble by nature we are humble but we take false position being centre of the universe.

Question: Is there difference between to maintain and protect?

One is maintain and one is protect are part of this, there is difference subtle difference.
Question: All these are symptoms of Surrender and one of the items there is surrender so what is the difference?
Answer: Fully surrender it says, yes Bali Maharaj surrendered everything surrendered everything other things are different from that being humble is also surrender. When the thief surrenders to the police, he agrees to surrender I am going to surrender my gun, I am going to surrender my stealing robbing tendencies and you just order me I will act as per your wishes and we’ll listen to you. So we are also some kind of culprits like that disobeying the laws of the Lord disobedient stubborn what not. So we want to surrender, our wealth also everything.

‘tvadiya vastu govindam tubhyameva samarpaye’ –all belongs to You, lets offer back to You. Take humble position means also we are surrendering that ignorance taking a false position of being somebody “ishvaro aham” as soon as you become humble then ishvaro aham that bhava you have surrendered that bhava that attitude or false pride you are renouncing you are giving up kicking it is unfavorable also. You may say whatever is unfavorable you reject so this Ishwar bhava is unfavorable you also give that out. As you give it up you become humble is also sign of surrender. They are interrelated as they explained like that and the result ‘mam ekam sharanam vraj’ kind of surrender. “Sarvadharman paritagya” give up varities of religion or so called religion or secondary principle of religion give up.

So that is also giving up “anukulyasya sankalpah pratikulyasya varjanam” whatever is ‘pratikul’- against contrary ‘varjanam’- give up. So I think we have as I said we have a limit I think we have to now move on to the next topic. Of you doesn’t mind ok what is the next one?

“Substantiate the importance of surrender to Krishna through the bonafied Spiritual Master, coming in disciplic succession appropriate reference to the shastras”

Transparent via media is Spiritual Master

Transparent- what is transparent? You could see through you look at spiritual master and you see through him. Who do you see? Krishna he shows you Krishna or you see through him Krishna he doesn’t block your vision. Others could be acting like a cloud you are here and the cloud in the middle sun is other side and you don’t see sun anymore. ‘Krishna surya sam’ He is also like a sun Krishna is like a sun. So some people come in the middle especially women comes in the middle or men could come in the middle something comes in the middle and you are illusioned. Your ignorance and darkness you stop seeing, you go blind I mean one little entity is enough to keep, just see the power of maya. “balampashyame mayaya” Kapil dev said to mother just see the power of my Maya specially in the form of women “strimay yam” just one women or one men or someone he could be keeping you away from the Lord. But then Spiritual master comes in the picture comes in front of you and he doesn’t block your path or vision no illusion you see through him with his help everything becomes clear ‘cakhu-dan dilo jei, janme janme prabhu sei divya-jnan hrde prokasito’.Divya jnana transcendental knowledge is revealed.

So this is the Lord’s arrangement. With the help of this arrangement this is big part of dharma infrastructure the whole facilitation that Lord does so that living entity conditioned soul is freed sadhus and shastras acharyas. The Guru the Spiritual Master has a big role to play and Krishna says surrender unto Me, Prabhupada says there is no difference if Krishna says surrender unto Me and spiritual master says surrender to Krishna. He is not talking; this is as it is Bhagvat Gita as it is. For some other so called spiritual master may one day declare I am God, don’t look beyond me, don’t look through me, some one behind me. So then such so called guru has to be rejected. He is unfavorable sign of surrender whatever is unfavorable you reject. Again Bali Maharaj rejected Shukracharya he was not letting Bali Maharaj surrender unto Vaman dev he rejected spiritual master because he was acting low some motivated or not transparent. The importance of surrender could be the “tad viddhi pranipatena” (B.G 4.34).
So Krishna has personally recommended this, so this is Lords divine scheme strategy arrangement and there are different spiritual masters – Shiksha Guru, Diksha Guru, Vartmapradarshak Guru, Caitya guru variety. And each one is to be understood they have roles to play. Shiksha guru could be prominent in someone’s life and Diksha Guru he is a torch light of knowledge spiritual master. “tamaso ma jyotirgamaya” – get out of the ignorance go to the light.
That light is coming from Krishna. So that’s the role of spiritual master.

The forth topic is “Substantiate the importance of surrender to Krishna as ultimate conclusion of Bhagvat Gita”
With reference to some other Bhakti shastras importance of surrender to Krishna has ultimate conclusion of Bhagvat Gita. This is the conclusion of Bhagvat Gita. What is the conclusion of Bhagvat Gita? lot of time you say what ‘sarva dharman paritayjya’ the importance of surrender what is the importance of surrender? ‘ mam ekam sharnam vraja’- Surrender unto Krishna.

Is it important? How? Why? Freedom through Surrender in this material. ‘mam eva ye prapadyante mayam etam taranti te’ again to me only ‘mam eva prapadhyante’- those who surrender unto Me only what happens? ‘taranti te’- they are liberated. Any other thoughts? Let us surrender this life anyway we have to surrender so why not surrender, begin surrendering get used to this surrender and then attain perfection. At the end will be forced to surrender whether you want to or not to you will be forced. So why not be wise and voluntarily surrender.
(Question by devotee) Surrendering unto Him “jnanavan mam prapadyate” more you know Lord more you will surrender unto Him, there is a connection. ‘jnanavan’ –one who is knowledgeable you will surrender unto Lord those who do not surrender what is their position?

“ye sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah
na sa siddhim avapnoti na sukham na param gatim” (B.G 16.23)

(Question by devotee, Maharaj says Haribol!! Quite powerful logical). Even Demigod big big Demigods are surrendering unto the Lord. Bramha with the tears in his eyes prays to the Lord and he had committed some offence and he had comeback. Like that Indra also come to surrender he came with Surabhi Cow, he came to Godrum dvip. Bramha had come to Antardvip performing austerities then he was given this Haridas Thakur Bramha is Haridas Thakur position incarnation. So Demigods take the dust of Krishnas feet on the head, while Krishna who is around in the forest of Vrindavan taking care of the cows bare foot Krishna goes barefoot serving cows playing with his friends. The Lakshmi and the Demigod they seek the dust of Krishna’s feet take that on their head. In that kind of Krishna is nice wonderful Krishna He is serving cows, He is playing with His friends. Yashoda could chastise Him, knowing that kind of Krishna lot of people don’t know that Krishna, Vrindavan Krishna. Ok so it was nice being with you, talking to you.

Thank you.
Lokanath Swami Maharaj Ki Jai!!

Venue: Germany Bhavat Saptha (Ajamil Katha series – Seventh Session)

We are in the beginning of 3rd chapter of the 6th canto, Ajamil has already gone back to Godhead, that’s good news (Maharaj laughs) by hearing story of Ajamil you felt inspired and blessed. (Maharaj says correlating with the last session the sixth and addressing the devotees) The tree crash Maharaj is making the connection; yesterday as we are describing Ajamil’s departure for the spiritual sky, big-bang crash was there. So like that you will be sending all the tress one by one. Yes these trees are not ordinary trees here. Very fortunate! Trees and the peacock and the deer and specially all of you very special souls – residents of ‘Goloka Dham’. You don’t have to go anywhere just stay here. Ok we have quite a big ground to cover here. We have about half of chapter half of 3rd chapter for now and the other half of this for the final session. Rajo uvacha that is king Pariksit said, in fact enquired

“nisamya devah sva-bhatopavarnitam pratyaha kim tan api dharmarajah
evam hatajno vihatan murarer naidesikair yasya vase jano yam “ (S.B. 6.3.1)

He would like to know ‘nisamya devah sva-bhatopavarnitam’ this demigod Yamaraja heard ‘sva-bhatopavarnitam’ Bhatah – servant, Yamaraja’s servants, his own servant’s “varnitam” whole reporting, whole description of their first hand experience what just happened up there, must be up-there because they went down there. so from up there what just happened ‘pratyaha kim tan api dharmarajah’ after hearing the report and specially report of ‘evam hatajno’ that his order Yamaraja’s order while being executed that order was foiled was nullified and his dutas his representatives were defeated.

And this was done by ‘murarer naidesikair’ this was done by Muraris, Murari the killer of Mura demon, His order carriers defeated and foiled the attempt of bringing Ajamil to hellish planet. So while all the reporting was done to Yamaraja, What did he have to say? Right! Question is clear? This is King Pariksit is asking for our benefit. Ok he is curious wants to know more. Ok Ajamil went back home what happened to capital of Yamaraja please tell? Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura says although the statements of the Yamadutas were fully upheld by Vedic principles, the statements of the Visnudutas were triumphant. This was confirmed by Yamaraja himself (now he will be doing that). Although the statements of the Yamadutas were fully upheld by Vedic principles they have spoken kind of truth, still the Visnudutas were triumphant. They were victorious, they had the upper hand.
“yamasya devasya na danda-bhangah kutascanarse sruta-purva asit”(S.B. 6.3.2)

And King Pariksit further states that the order of Yamaraja and they were defeated. They were foiled ‘kutascanarse sruta-purva’ we never ever heard such a thing, this never happened. First time ever we are hearing such an unprecedented news.

“etan mune vrscati loka-samsayam”(S.B. 6.3.2)

And this certainly has caused the doubt in my mind and certainly “loka-samsayam” lot of people must have similar doubt right now, they must be doubting, wondering.

“na hi tvad-anya iti me viniscitam”(S.B. 6.3.2)

And I personally don’t think anyone else competent to show some light on this matter. Clarify this issue no one other than you. O! Shuka Muni, could eradiate this doubt “vrscati loka-samsayam” no one else could do, only you. Hence, I am approaching you please clarify.
O great sage, never before has it been heard anywhere that an order of Yamaraja has been baffled. Therefore I think that people will have doubts about this that no one but you can eradicate. Since that is my firm conviction, kindly explain the reasons for these events.

sri-suka uvaca
“bhagavat-purusai rajan yamyah pratihatodyamah
patim vijnapayam asur yamam samyamani-patim”(S.B. 6.3.3)

Yes! Rajan my dear king ‘bhagavat-purusai rajan’ the purusah the people of Bhagavat the Supreme Personality of Godhead the four handed Vishnudutas ‘yamyah pratihatodyamah’ when Vishnudutah had defeated the people, the servant of Yamadutas, they went straight to ‘samyamani-patim’ Samyamani the capital of Yamaraja. As Amravati is capital of Indra, so samyamani-patim ‘pati’ the master of his capital and ‘patim’ also ‘patim’ has come twice. ‘patim’ is also master of so many living entities. So after reaching capital and approaching their ‘pati’ the master Yamaraja ‘vijnapayam asur’ they informed him this.

And next text number four “yamadutu ucuh” Yamadutas spoke like this, these questions they raised, question number one this is how they begin,

“kati santiha sastaro jiva-lokasya vai prabho
trai-vidhyam kurvatah karm phalabhivyakti-hetavah” (S.B. 6.3.4)

‘kati’ how many ‘santiha’ there are ‘sastaro’ the controllers. How many controllers are there? What’s going on? How many controllers are there? ‘jiva-lokasya vai prabho’ our prabhu our master ‘jiva-lokasya’ this plents where human beings reside. How many? How many controllers are there? ‘trai-vidhyam kurvatah karm’ and how many causes of the manifestation? ‘trai-vidhyam kurvatah karm’ the living entity is in ‘jivlokah’ in the human beings planet they perform activities as per sattva, rajo, tamo ‘trai-vidhyam kurvatah karm’ so the manifestation of the result, how many causes are there of that result. How many causes responsible for manifesting various results of activities performed under three modes of material nature? We will understand this better as we read the purport.

Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura says that the Yamadutas, the order carriers of Yamaraja, were so disappointed that they asked their master, almost in great anger, whether there were many masters other than him. Furthermore, because the Yamadutas had been defeated and their master could not protect them, they were inclined to say that there was no need to serve such a master. If a servant cannot carry out the orders of his master without being defeated, what is the use of serving such a powerless master? Who would like to serve? So they are seeing one master here they were thinking he was the one but does not look like, hence the question ‘kati’ how many are there? How many masters are there? They continued their reporting and presentation and questions.

<strong>“yadi syur bahavo loke sastaro danda-dharinah
kasya syatam na va kasya mrtyus camrtam eva va” (S.B. 6.3.5)

And if there are ‘yadi’ if there are ‘bahavo’ many ‘sastaro danda-dharinah’ the controllers and the persons responsible for taking decisions and punishing the culprit then ‘kasya syatam na va kasya mrtyus camrtam eva va’. Either more than one according to Yamadutas they think that will create lot of difficulties. You need only two or two parties so many in each party or just one in each party, then translation says it very clearly lets go for that. ‘If in this universe there are many rulers and justices who disagree about punishment and reward, their contradictory actions will neutralize each other’. Two judges are fighting with each other and their judgment may get neutralize and no one will be punished in the process or rewarded. That’s one scenario otherwise if there are contradictory acts failed to neutralize each other then everyone has to be both punished and rewarded. Like if there are two temple authorities and they are fighting over a bhakta one says, ”no no he should stay.” other one says, ”Out ! My way or the highway”. (You heard of that) My way or Highway. So if they are fighting if actions will neutralize each other of these two authorities then neither stay, no decision, neither stay nor leaving. But if their act fail to neutralize each other of the two ISKCON authorities then that bhakta will have to go and stay it’s quite confusion to understand it’s quite confusion.

So because the Yamadutas had been unsuccessful in carrying out the order of Yamaraja, they doubted whether Yamaraja actually had the power to punish the sinful. Although they had gone to arrest Ajamila, following Yamaraja’s order, they found themselves unsuccessful because of the order of some higher authority. Therefore they were unsure of whether there are many authorities or only one. If there are many authorities who gave different judgments, which could be contradictory, a person might be wrongly punished or wrongly rewarded, or he might be neither punished nor rewarded. According to our experience in the material world, a person punished in one court may appeal to another. Thus the same man may be either punished or rewarded according to different judgments. However, in the law of nature or the court of the Supreme Personality of Godhead there cannot be such contradictory judgments. The judges and their judgments must be perfect and free from contradictions. Actually the position of Yamaraja was very awkward in the case of Ajamila because the Yamadutas were right in attempting to arrest Ajamila, but the Visnudutas had baffled them. Although Yamaraja, under these circumstances, was accused by both the Visnudutas and the Yamadutas, he is perfect in administering justice because he is empowered by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore he will explain what his real position is and how everyone is controlled by the Supreme controller, the Personality of Godhead.

Even his judgment was right according to him but now he is going to explain that its “not just me, you know, there is some other than me and that was his decision so I am helpless”. And this will clarify the doubt of his servants. Because they always thought he was only one no one equal to him, no one above him. But now their boss, their master is going to reveal unto them about no..no that’s not the case! This was my decision but my boss intervened and Vishnudas were there and that is perfectly all right with me.

“kintu sastr-bahutve syad bahunam iha karminam
sastrtvam upacaro hi yatha mandala-vartinam”(S.B. 6.3.6)

So Yamadutas they are thinking fine there could be more than one judge, different judges but there should be one judge above all the different judges. They are thinking that would be appropriate. ‘mandala-vartinam’ since there are many different karmis, or workers, there may be different judges or rulers to give them justice, but as one central emperor controls different departmental rulers, there must be one supreme controller to guide all the judges. And there is one which they don’t know or they thought they knew they were thinking that was Yamaraja but that’s not the case. Yamaraja is going to correct them. Yes! Yes! Such is the arrangement. There are so many controllers I am just one of them and there is one supreme above all of us.

Prabhupada writes, in governmental management there may be departmental officials to give justice to different persons, but the law must be one, and that central law must control everyone. Yamadutas could not imagine that two judges would give two different verdicts in the same case, and therefore they wanted to know who the central judge is. Yamadutas were certain that Ajamila was a most sinful man, but although Yamaraja wanted to punish him, the Visnudutas excused him. This was a puzzling situation that the Yamadutas wanted Yamaraja to clarify.

“atas tvam eko bhutanam sesvaranam adhisvarah
sasta danda-dharo nrnam subhasubha-vivecanah” (S.B. 6.3.7)

So Yamadutas say we always thought ‘atas tvam eko bhutanam sesvaranam adhisvarah’ you are the only one ‘bhutanam sesvaranam adhisvarah’ of all living entities you are the only controller. ‘sasta danda-dharo’ – you have a danda, you have a rod meant for punishment and you are ‘subhasubha-vivecanah’ of all human beings ‘subhah’ pious ‘asubha’ impious activities you would take into consideration and discriminate and come to the judgment. And we thought that was you. You are only one ‘tvam eko bhutanam sesvaranam adhisvarah’. But so that was our understanding, we assumed that. But now they say

“tasya te vihito dando na loke vartatedhuna
caturbhir adbhutaih siddhair ajna te vipralambhita” (S.B. 6.3.8)

But from what we experienced today is something different, we were convinced that you are the one but now your orders ordained by you, some directions, some assignment ‘O..go bring that person to me’. ‘na loke vartatedhuna’ that doesn’t work anymore. Your order is not final; this is our experience, firsthand experience. We were just there and someone else came, sounded like they had came from another authority higher authority. So your orders are not final anymore. They are being foiled and defeated. And they say this was done we saw ‘caturbhir adbhutaih siddhair’ four persons came they were ‘adbhutaih’ they were amazing ‘siddhair’ they seem perfect personalities and they had another order contrary to yours and they surpassed ‘vipralambhita’. They surpassed your order and so we have come to conclusion that your rule doesn’t work anymore. And they further state couple of things before they give floor to Yamaraja to speak.

“niyamanam tavadesad asmabhir yatana-grhan
vyamocayan patakinam chittva pasan prasahya te” (S.B. 6.3.9)

‘niyamanam’ we are just bringing him to you this Ajamil and this was ‘tavadesad’ your order. We were bringing him into ‘yatana-grhan’ the torture chamber; we were bringing him to the capital samyamani and bringing him to the torture chamber. But ‘vyamocayan’ but they liberated this ‘patakinam’ this sinful person. As we had tied him with the rope, these ‘chaturbhih’, ‘adbhutaih’, ‘siddhaih’ those four persons came they were amazing, effulgence, powerful, authoritative and you know they just cut the rope ‘chittva’ they just cut the ropes ‘prasahya’ by force and we were helpless. We could do nothing we just had to come empty handed, leaving that most sinful wretched person behind. And now what they really are interested to know is this. ‘tan’ they are only thinking all the way to Yamaraja’s abode and while being there and they are only thinking and only thinking of the four persons. They couldn’t get them off out of their head and mind. Although they were out of sight they were on their mind, in their mind stuck. They looked very beautiful, powerful and

“tams te veditum icchamo yadi no manyase ksamam
narayanety abhihite ma bhair ity ayayur drutam” (S.B. 6.3.10)

So ‘veditum icchamo’ it is our desire to know. You want to know about them. ‘yadi no manyase ksamam’ and if you think we are competent or qualified, deserving candidates to know about these matters then only, of course its upto you. If you think we are fit and appropriate that we know this then please explain about those people. They wanted to say about those people what they did was. ‘narayanety abhihite’ as this person Ajamil he said Narayana..Narayana…Narayana, they came ‘ayayur drutam’ instantly they arrived.

As soon as this Ajamil said,“Narayana..Narayana..” they were there. ‘drutam’ they did not lose up a second. And upon their arrival they took the side of Ajamil and they said, “Do not be afraid! Do not be afraid! No fear we are here. Don’t be afraid” ‘Ma bhayshtah ma shudhad ma bhaya eti’ They were comforting him and they said, “Don’t be afraid. Do not fear”. So we want to know about these people and other matters that we have concerned and confused!. The order carriers of Yamaraja, being very much aggrieved because of their defeat by the four Visnudutas, wanted to bring them before Yamaraja and, if possible, punish them. Otherwise they desired to commit suicide (Maharaj laughs and says Prabhupada writing..) they were desiring to commit suicide. Before pursuing either course, however they wanted to know about the Visnudutas from Yamaraja, who is also omniscient. Yamaraja is all knower so he wanted to know this, so if he is not satisfied we are going to commit suicide. If its not explained to us or we are going to resign. Here is our letter of resignation, we resign here we find another master, job, the powerful one whose order we could follow and execute.

<strong>sri-badarayanir uvaca
“iti devah sa aprstah praja-samyamano yamah
pritah sva-dutan pratyaha smaran padambujam hareh” (S.B. 6.3.11)

Sukhdev Goswami is making comment ‘iti’ – like this ‘ aprstah’ – questioned when he was questioned ‘praja-samyamano yamah’ Yamaraja master of Samyamani when he was questioned like this ‘pritah’ he seemed very pleased ‘sva-dutan’ with his own dutas, his representatives, his order carriers he seemed very pleased with them and ‘pratyaha’ he spoke. He is now about to give the reply and he is replying how ‘smaran padambujam hareh’ Yamaraja their boss is not surprised or furious. ‘Eh! What? This happened? OK! Let’s go, I will also join you, I’m very much disturbed with these developments. My order is not final anymore someone else interfered’. So this wasn’t the response, he was not angry. That was their idea or their expectations. Yamadutas are expecting that when Yamaraja listens to this he will finally understand what we are talking about. He is going to be furious, he is going to take some action and he is going to back us up. But nothing of this sort instead they see smile on his face. He is smiling he is happy pleased with all this reporting and not only that he gets into some hey..What are you? What are you doing? He immediately gets into the, he is remembering someone, praying to somebody, his mood changes.
He goes internal his feelings and Sukadeva Gosvami says ‘smaran padambujam hareh’ while remembering the lotus feet of Hari, Yamaraj now wants to reply. Not just whimsically or first of all now is important task so it had to be accompanied by prayers and remembrance of Lord so that the judgments and his word would be full of truth, full of knowledge, he wants to connect with the source of knowledge and then he is now.

“paro mad-anyo jagatas tasthusas ca otam protam patavad yatra visvam
yad-amsato sya sthiti-janma-nasa nasy otavad yasya vase ca lokah” (S.B. 6.3.12)

As soon as he begins to speak first thing Yamaraja says admits, “Yes..Yes ! I would like to make it very clear in my opening dialogue”. ‘paro mad-anyo jagatas’ Yes yes there is someone ‘anyo’ is another one above me, yes such person exists you had some doubt about this but I want to confirm, yes there is someone above me and He is all pervading, all powerful, He is everywhere filling up this universe. ‘otam protam pat’ Yamaraj says like in cloth there are some threads going this way ‘otam’, some threads are going that way ‘protam’. So threads are everywhere some this way that way throughout the cloth, there is thread. So using this example, my Lord my boss someone above me He is ‘otam protam’ like that, that is His position.

‘yad-amsato sya sthiti-janma-nasa’ and just His partial expansions they undertake big big tasks like creation of this entire cosmic manifestation ‘Sthiti, Janma, Nasa’ the creation, maintenance and destruction is just handled by His expansion. He doesn’t even take part in this. He is that powerful personality. And ‘nasy otavad yasya vase ca lokah’ like a big powerful bull or oxen is controlled by pulling ‘nasy’ rope through nostrils, the plough-man could easily control the bulls just handling the rope. Likewise, ‘yasya vase ca lokah’ all the planets and their controllers like we have this rope in our nose and ropes are in His hands, He is the boss and we are just pets, like oxen that is just to turn this way turn that way.
Yamdutas suspects there was a ruler even above the Yamaraja, to eradicate their doubts Yamaraja immediately replied, “Yes! There is one supreme controller above everything”. Yamaraja is in charge of some of living entities namely human beings but animals who also move are not under the control not under his control. Only human beings have consciousness of right or wrong. And among them only those who perform sinful activities come under the control of Yamaraja. Therefore although Yamaraja is a controller, he is only the departmental controller of few living entities. There are other demigods who control many other departments. But above them is one Supreme controller Krishna. ‘isvarah paramah krsnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah anadir adir govindah sarva-karana-karanam’ (Bs 5.1) The Supreme controller is Krishna and Prabhupada is quoting Bhagvad-Gita- ‘mattah parataram nanyat kincid asti dhananjaya’ (B.G. 7.7) no one superior no one equal and like that.

‘aham mahendro’ ‘aham’ he is giving whole list, myself, ‘mahendro’ there is Indra, ‘nirrtih’ name of demigod, ‘Varuna’ controller of water, ‘pracetah’, ‘somo’ – moon ‘agnih’ that’s fire ‘isah’ – Shiva ‘pavanah’ – incharge of air [Pavan Pavansut Hanuman], ‘virincih’ – Brahma, ‘aditya’

“aham mahendro nirrtih pracetah somo gnir isah pavano virincih
aditya-visve vasavo tha sadhya marud-gana rudra-ganah sasiddhah
anye ca ye visva-srjo maresa bhrgv-adayo sprsta-rajas-tamaskah
yasyehitam na viduh sprsta-mayah sattva-pradhana api kim tato nye” (S.B. 6.3.14-15)

He is giving whole big list but not complete of course. Complete list would have 33 crores, 330 millions demigods. He is saying all of us and that ‘na viduh sprsta-mayah’ we just don’t know Him fully well. He says some of us ‘sattva-pradhana’, some of us demigods are predominantly in mode of goodness but there are ‘upadevas’ the sub-demigods and there are other upadevas. And we have difficulty understanding Him. ‘api kim tato nye’ then what to speak of others? Even ‘sattva-pradhana’ like myself and several others have difficulty understanding. We cannot understand ‘na viduh’. His activities we cannot understand we just get bewildered and then we just don’t know Him fully well. ‘yasyantam na viduh surasura-gana devaya tasmai namah’ (SB 12.13.1).

And at end of Bhagvatam says, that Lord who is glorified ‘yam brahma varunendra-rudra-marutah stunvanti divyaih stavair’ (SB 12.13.1) that Lord who is glorified by Brahma, Varun, Indra, Rudra, Marut ‘stunvanti’ they praise Him ‘stunvanti divyaih stavair’ –like uttamsloka the choicest poetry, Mantras, Stutis, they employ they use to glorify the Lord ‘gayanti yam sama-gah’ and then there so many sastras ‘vedaih sanga kramopanisadair gayanti yam sama-gah’ and all the vedas, puranas, Upanishad they all ‘gayanti’ they are singing the glories of the Lord, chanting the glories of the Lord this is second thing. Third thing is ‘dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yogino’ and Lord is glorified by the demigods, Lord is glorified throughout all scriptures and that Lord whom yogis are trying to capture within their heart or meditate upon Him within their hearts. ‘dhyanavasthita-tad-gatena manasa pasyanti yam yogino’ ‘manasa pasyanti yam’ with their minds ‘pasyanti’ visualize or with the transcendental vision they see Him within the heart. So that Lord ‘yasyantam na viduh’ this kind of Lord His ‘antam’ His end is not known to anybody that is why He is known as ‘Ananta anantsesa’ He is unlimited. ‘yasyantam na viduh’ Who do not know? ‘surasura-gana’. Of course! Demons do not know but even demigods do not know. ‘surasura-gana na jananti na viduh’ they do not know so same thing has being stated here by Yamaraja that we know Him something, somewhat but we don’t know Him fully and we are ‘sattva-pradhana’ and this is then what to speak of so many others, other demigods, what to speak of human beings and what to speak of Germans, Europeans and all those people in Los Vegas (Laughter).

Even those in mode of Goodness like many demigods and great rishis described in these verses cannot understand activities of Supreme personality of Godhead. There Prabhupada further clarifies in the purport. Prabhupada is also quoting Bhagvatam verse, “Oh! King!” Yudhisthira Maharaj stated by Bhismadeva to Yudhisthira Maharaj in first canto. “O! King, no one can know the plan of the Lord Sri Krishna. Even though great philosophers inquire an inquire exhaustively, they are bewildered.” (S.B. 1.9.16) and like that. And the next

“yam vai na gobhir manasasubhir va hrda gira vasu-bhrto vicaksate
atmanam antar-hrdi santam atmanam caksur yathaivakrtayas tatah param” (S.B. 6.3.16)

Translation -As the different limbs of the body cannot see the eyes, the living entities cannot see the Supreme Lord, who is situated as the Supersoul in everyone’s heart. Not by the senses, by the mind, by the life air, by thoughts within the heart, or by the vibration of words can the living entities ascertain the real situation of the Supreme Lord.

Purport – Prabhupada writes, although the different parts of the body do not have the power to see the eyes, the eyes direct the movements of the body’s different parts. The legs move forward because the eyes see what is in front of them, and the hand touches because the eyes see touchable entities. Similarly, every living being acts according to the direction of the Supersoul, who is situated within the heart. Eyes are directing all the wondering all the wondering of different limbs and body. Hand is working, feet are working because eyes are directing, eyes are seeing. So likewise living entities are like the limbs and Lord is like the eyes. So Lord shows then living entity moves makes move. So controlled like that.

“tasyatma-tantrasya harer adhisituh parasya mayadhipater mahatmanah
prayena duta iha vai manoharas caranti tad-rupa-guna-svabhava” (S.B. 6.3.17)

So now after mentioning that Lord, Yamaraja wants to say something about the Vishnudutas because that was there…it was very much bothering and they wanted to know about those. So those Vishnudutas so Yamaraja says :

‘tasyatma-tantrasya harer adhisituh parasya mayadhipater mahatmanah’

“First of all you know their boss, Vishnudutas’ boss is just ‘atma-tantrasya’ He is just independent and no one above Him and it is self sufficient and fully independent and He has powers ‘mayadhipater’ He is adhipati of maya whole cosmic creation and like that ‘harer adhisituh’. He is just controller of Master of everything. He is master of illusionary energy. He is ‘mahatmanah’, He is supersoul ‘mahatmanah’. This is called ‘mahatmanah’, ‘Mahatma’ is living entity but here ‘mahatmanah’ is supersoul and you know this Vishnudutas that you enquired about. They are His dutas, they are His people, they are His representatives so certainly they are also independently powerful and ‘prayena duta iha vai manoharas’ they are very beautiful. My Lord is beautiful so they are also beautiful. Like father like son. If parents are beautiful then children are also beautiful. So my Lord is beautiful so His servants are beautiful but you are not so beautiful..look at in mirror you are not beautiful but ‘caranti’ and they are always wondering Vishnudutas are always wondering and they are empowered by such a Lord Supreme controller independently powerful. Lord has empowered them so His powers are also in them. But you are my representatives but I could invest as much power as I have. My powers in another word are limited. Do you understand now? My dear children.

He addressed them as Putra- so children do you understand? So Vishnudutas, Vishnu is their boss and I just described Him ‘yasyehitam na viduh’ there is no beginning, end and even I can’t understand Him fully. So they are His servants His representatives and you are my, I’m limited. I have limited powers so only that much power I could invest in you. And my Lord is ‘rupa-guna-svabhavah’ Lord has form, qualities and activities. Yaa! He is not impersonal He has personality. Yamaraja describing the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Supreme controller. But the order carriers of Yamaraja were very eager to know about the vishnudutas who had defeated them in their counter with Ajamil.

Yamaraja therefore stated that Visnudutas resemble the Supreme Personality of Godhead in their bodily features, transcendental qualities and nature. They resemble because Lord has form, Lord has quality, personality and beauty. So they are resembled ‘tad-rupa’ like He has like Lord has likewise His representatives almost has similar qualities, beauty, personality and power. Yamaraja therefore stated that Visnudutas resemble the Supreme Personality of Godhead in their bodily features, transcendental qualities and nature. In other words, the Visnudutas, or Vaisnavas, are almost as qualified as the Supreme Lord. Yamaraja informed the Yamadutas that the Visnudutas are no less powerful than Lord Visnu. Since Visnu is above Yamaraja, the Visnudutas are above the Yamadutas. Persons protected by the Visnudutas, therefore, cannot be touched by the Yamadutas.

“bhutani visnoh sura-pujitani durdarsa-lingani mahadbhutani
raksanti tad-bhaktimatah parebhyo mattas ca martyan atha sarvatas ca”(S.B. 6.3.18)

Translation: The order carriers of Lord Visnu, who are worshiped even by the demigods, possess wonderful bodily features exactly like those of Visnu and are very rarely seen. The Visnudutas protect the devotees of the Lord from the hands of enemies, from envious persons and even from my jurisdiction, as well as from natural disturbances. Yamaraja is concluding. Prabhupada writes in purport Yamaraja has specifically described the qualities of the Visnudutas to convince his own servants not to be envious of them. Yamaraja warned the Yamadutas that the Visnudutas are worshiped with respectful obeisance’s by the demigods and are always alert to protect the devotees of the Lord from the hands of enemies, from natural disturbances and from all dangerous conditions in this material world. Sometimes the members of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness are afraid of the impending danger of world war. During Prabhupada’s time such was situation there (Maharaj says I know in Narsingh shetra devotees were making bombproof shelter in Germany. So I was told I was visiting soon after they attempted that). So there such a scare was there, the world was scared and so were the devotees. So they would bring this up to Prabhupada, their concerned. So this purport must have written around that time, so it’s just including devotees were afraid of impeding danger of world war and ask what would happen to them if war should occur? Prabhupada replied in all kinds of danger, they should be confident of their protection by the Visnudutas or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as confirmed in Bhagavad-gita ‘kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranashyati'(B.G. 9.31). If you recite this many times you will be convinced that His devotees never perish. Material danger is not meant for devotees, this is also confirmed in Srimad-Bhagavatam. ‘Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam’ (S.B. 10.14.58) in this material world there are dangers at every step, but they are not meant for devotees who have fully surrendered unto the lotus feet of the Lord. The pure devotees of Lord Visnu may rest assured that Lord’s protection, and as long as they are in this material world they should fully engage in devotional service by preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Krishna, namely the Hare Krishna movement of Krishna consciousness. So not to worry about the war just stay busy preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Lord Krishna. This is text no. 18th of Chapter 3, 6.3.18 and this is our today’s last verse, this morning last verse. ‘Dharmam’ and first part Prabhupada quoted this word hundreds and hundreds of time. As you hear his lecture tapes you will hear ‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ there are three more lines but this verse this part he had always quoted most

“dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam na vai vidur rsayo napi devah
na siddha-mukhya asura manusyah kuto nu vidyadhara-caranadayah” (S.B. 6.3.19)

Real religious principles are enacted by Supreme Personality of Godhead that’s the meaning of this first line. ‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ that again real religious principles are enacted by Supreme Personality of Godhead. So much manufacturing goes in this world, so many religions has come into existence. So many religious principles so called religious principles which most of them just concoction just mere speculation and like that. So to defeat all these attempts and condemn them Prabhupada always quote this verse. No no! Religion cannot be manmade or some organization made it has to be God made and God enacted. ‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ that was his mantra.

‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ Lord is behind religion. The religion- dharma is creation of Lord and not concoction of some human being or demigod or no one else. Just one person and that’s Lord who is creator, enactor, designer of Dharma. The whole Bhagvad-Gita is dharma, given by Lord. The first word of Bhagvad- Gita is what? ‘Dharma’. The first word of Bhagvad-Gita is Dharma. First Chapter first text

<strong>’dharma-ksetre kuru-ksetre samaveta yuyutsavah mamakah pandavas caiva kim akurvata sanjaya” (B.G. 1.1)

The first word is Dharma and last word is 18th Chapter text number 78, is that 78? Last word is..Hurry up! Hurry up! Prabhupada would ask for references the disciple would quickly…..’mama’ Ok! So first word is ‘Dharma’, last word is ‘mama’. ‘mama’ means mine. So this whole Bhagvad-Gita is my Dharma. Given by me ‘Dharma mama..mama dharma’ whole thing is ‘mama dharma’. Gita is ‘Dharma’ the laws of Lord. Prabhupada defines ‘Dharma’ is laws of Lord, this is Bhagvad-Gita. ‘mama-dharma’ ‘Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’.

Translation – Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great rishis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyadharas and Caranas. So Lord has all these parties no they can’t they can’t enact the religious principle, they can’t create. No demigod, no siddas, no vidyadharas, no human being also ‘manusyah asura siddha munyah devah rushyah’ na na you have to add na before everybody it is already there (repeat). ‘na siddha na asurah na manusyah’ they cannot. Only ‘dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam’ that’s all. Only Him is competent, Dharma is already there, you don’t have to create another one. Why take trouble? Why duplicate?

Purport: When challenged by the Visnudutas to describe the principles of religion, the Yamadutas said, veda-pranihito dharmah: the religious principles are the principles enacted in the Vedic literature. They did not know, however, that the Vedic literature contains ritualistic ceremonies that are not transcendental, but are meant to keep peace and order among materialistic persons in the material world.

So what they had said was correct but that ritualistic ceremony mentioned in Vedas and Prabhupada says they are not transcendental ritualistic ideas, proposals are not transcendental but still they had function/role to play in materialistic society to keep the society peaceful those things are emplaced. Real religious principles are nistraigunya, above the three modes of material nature, or transcendental. The Yamadutas did not know these transcendental religious principles, and therefore when prevented from arresting Ajamila they were surprised. Materialistic persons who attach all their faith to the Vedic rituals are described in Bhagavad-gita (2.42), where in Krishna says, ‘veda-vada-ratah partha nanyad astiti vadinah’ the supposed followers of the Vedas say that there is nothing beyond the Vedic ceremonies. Indeed, there is a group of men in India who are very fond of the Vedic rituals, not understanding the meaning of these rituals, which are intended to elevate one gradually to the transcendental platform of knowing Krishna ‘vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah'(B.G. 15.15). Those who do not know this principle but who simply attach their faith to the Vedic rituals are called veda-vada-ratah.

Here in it is stated that the real religious principle is that which is given by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That principle is stated in Bhagavad-gita. ‘Sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja’ (not vrajaa..vraja). There are three ways you could say vraj, vraja, vrajaa. Some words are without ‘a’ ‘halant’, some are with a and some are with two ‘a’s. ‘rajan’ when you say ‘rajan’ there is no ‘a’. When you spell ‘rajan’ means king..O! king! ‘rajan’ it is without ‘a’ like that devotees also word ‘Rama’ they two ways ‘Hare Ram’ [correct pronunciation as far as our another project] so ‘mam ekam saranam vraja’ (not vraj). One should give up all other duties and surrender unto the lotus feet of Krishna. That is the real religious principle everyone should follow. Even though one follows Vedic scriptures, one may not know this transcendental principle, for it is not known to everyone. To say nothing of human beings, even the demigods in the upper planetary systems are unaware of it. This transcendental religious principle must be understood from the Supreme Personality of Godhead directly or from His special representative, as stated in the next verses.
And that will be stated at 11 o’ clock. So we are halfway through this 3rd chapter of 6th canto and Yamaraja will continue his pravachan, his talk, his dialogue, his conversation with his dutas and he is authority big authority he is. He is one of those twelve persons they know everything. So we will hear rest of the presentation by Yamaraja this mid-day.